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davidnix71

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Too stupid to be governor and judge
« on: 23 September 2008, 22:20 »
http://www.kentucky.com/181/story/533470.html

The governor of Kentucky and a state judge are trying to seize possession of domain names of gambling sites that are not in Kentucky or hosted on servers in Kentucky.

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Re: Too stupid to be governor and judge
« Reply #1 on: 23 September 2008, 22:44 »
I don't know about the legality of this, but the hilarity is clear.  Gambling destroys lives - plus it takes money away from gambling on horce racing.  What a fucking joke.

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Re: Too stupid to be governor and judge
« Reply #2 on: 25 September 2008, 01:38 »
Are US casino's state owned?

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Re: Too stupid to be governor and judge
« Reply #3 on: 25 September 2008, 11:06 »
Generally, no.  There are 3 types of casinos in the US.  Private casinos, Indian casinos, and lottery casinos.  Private casinos, like those in Las Vegas, are individually owned but regulated by the state gaming office, and pay hefty taxes on all earnings.  Indian casions, like those in Oklahoma, are on Indian reservation land, and are owned and regulated by the tribe.  Anyone can play, and the casino earnings are tax-free.  Lottery casinos, like those in Oregon, are joint state/private affairs.  The machines are owned and operated by the state lottery board, and they are leased to a bar/restaurant, who gets a percentage of the take.

In all states, gambling is strongly regulated.  Some states, such as Texas, don't allow any gambling at all, not even Indian casinos.  In most states, casinos are allowed, but the regulations are so strong that there isn't any way to turn a profit.  The Indian casinos, which can bypass regulations (but not prohibitions), are popular in those states.  Kentucky does not allow card games or casino machines, but it does allow track betting.  There are 8 tracks in Kentucky where one can bet on horse racing.  Doubtless, these tracks are strongly regulated and taxed by the state.

In Louisiana and Mississippi, there are riverboat casinos.  These casinos get around some state regulations because they are not fixed locations.  In fact, some parts of the river are not in either state.  This led to waterfront gambling throughout Louisiana, which is now a strongly taxed and thriving industry.  Such a situation is a good place to start talking about online gambling.  Because the physical location of the server is in a state that allows gambling, it is theoretically legal.  If a person in Kentucky is gambling online, where is the gambling actually taking place?  There are 3 possible choices - it is taking place in Nevada, where the server is; it is taking place in Kentucky, where the client is; or it is taking place in a nowhere space that cannot be regulated by the state. 

Up till now, online gambling has taken place in that 3rd space that cannot be defined and has not been regulated.  Apparently, the governor of Kentucky has taken it upon himself to just sorta decide that he has jurisdiction.  Which is a dangerous idea - if internet activity can be officially localized, it can be regulated by the state - we could see porn domains seized next.  Plus, what about people in states where online gambling is legal - are they fucked now because Kentucky has shut them down?  This is not going to end well.

It is generally accepted that increased gambling leads to increased gambling addiction, in the same way that more cars leads to more car accidents.  Gambling, much like drugs and prostitution, is mainly illegal because we don't want people to think this sort of behavior is okay.

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Re: Too stupid to be governor and judge
« Reply #4 on: 25 September 2008, 19:05 »
You missed out the underground casinos, most of which also offer other products and services.
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Re: Too stupid to be governor and judge
« Reply #5 on: 25 September 2008, 21:56 »
I don't see how this is legal in the least. What would stop other states from trying to gain control of domains of gambling sites not based in that state?
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Re: Too stupid to be governor and judge
« Reply #6 on: 25 September 2008, 23:55 »
You missed out the underground casinos, most of which also offer other products and services.

Private gaming clubs are so totally illegal that I didn't think they deserved mention in a discussion of state involvement in gambling regulation.

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Re: Too stupid to be governor and judge
« Reply #7 on: 28 September 2008, 01:45 »
Charlie Crist, governor of Florida has openly defied a unanimous state supreme court ruling to the effect that he did not have the authority to negociate an agreement with the Seminole Indians to allow (class 3) Las Vegas slots at Indian gaming sites.

The state attorney general has gone to federaL court asking what to do. The Seminoles are the only tribe that never surrendered to the US Army/gov't. There is a federal bureau that is supposed to regulate their behaviour. The state doesn't want Vegas slots on tribal land because it competes with the state lottery and horse and dog racing.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-flbseminole0916sbsep16,0,7396705.story

No one knows what to do. the Indians agreed to give the state a $100M cut. Everybody wants the money. Before gambling, the Seminoles supported themselves by selling untaxed cigarettes and liquor. So much for the idea that they were "noble savages."

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Re: Too stupid to be governor and judge
« Reply #8 on: 28 September 2008, 08:40 »
The main issue there seems not to be gambling, but whether or not the state (or its representative) can negotiate deals with an Indian nation.  As far as I can tell, they can't.  Like the governor of KY, the governor of FL seems to be playing that "fuck all y'all, I'm the governor!" game.