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voidmain:
And how many of those will execute a program just by opening an email or by a carefully embedded JavaScript?  Answer=0.  And even if they could, what harm can they do? Users can't mess with system files. That's the difference between win* and *NIX.

[ March 15, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]

SPoT:
On any software, all that it take to hack into it is the desire. Any software. Most virus writers are writing then to have their name written in their own version of history. "I caused the corruption of so many computers" type o thing. They arent stable. They attack Microsoft product cuz of the wide use, not so much the ease of it. But nothing is unhackable.

Apple. Plz tell me what Apple PC can out perform an IBM clone? Ill buy it! Are we talking software or hardware here? Plz. No Apple hardware can out perform an IBM. Im sure there are great apps out there for the apple, but there are more different, if not better, for IBM. Apple has limited hardware support and software support. Thats its downfall. Greater limits. Less choises. The OS has nothing to do with it really.

 
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And what the hell do you mean M$ is not a monopoly? Jesus, they are only out to control the desktop computer market and the internet experience. They just go around stealing/buying up/ extorting other companies good ideas and passing them off as their own, in the interest of dominating their market and controling peoples CHOICE!! No not a monopoly, a fucking cancer!
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Look. As I posted in the other thread. Microsoft is in the buisness of making money. If not for Microsoft, there wouldnt be a PC in half the homes in America. Microsoft made the indestry. They have employees that have paychecks, that make a living off their profits. Now along comes a company that has made absolutly no progress in years and says that Microsoft is keeping them out of the game. Thats not what I call a Monopoly. What Im saying is that no one has even tried to make a better system.  That isnt compitition, its a hand out. If you try and get beat down due to unfair practices, then ok. If you dont and get beat down, what do you expect?

My idea of a PC is giving me what I want without having to go through a buch of crap to get it. I tweak the hell outta Win98 so I can get that info even faster. Anything I need, I can get with Windows. Being surfing the net for porn, playing UT, surfing, buisness, what ever. Its all due to Microsoft cash. Why does Linux not have the same options? Cuz its free. There is no money in it.

The reason most of us her are able to bitch about Microsoft is due to two things. Al Gore, and Microsoft. I just dont understand the contempt for the company in general. The windows OS's and its fat, bloated design, but not the company.

Calum:
To FelTtch and Splodge:

you seem unable to grasp this simple concept:

Linux is secure because a casual user does not have the PERMISSION to corrupt essential data to the system.
This means, any program that is run by a user can only corrupt the data they themselves have access to.
This *does* mean that if that person has not backed up their files that day, they may lose a day of work, but them's the breaks.
There is no way a system can be screwed by a trojan or a virus in Linux, unless it runs as root. For that to happen it will need to be able to login as root. Only the sysadmin can do that.

Okay, that's out of the way, let's hear you both retort, nice and loud so everybody can hear you!

i am not an old time linux user btw, but i am open minded and not stupid, and i know some of the fundamental differences between Linux and "another leading operating system" (i partly just said that to give you something to quote in your retort...)

psyjax:
Splot:

Ok... Hmmmm....

I have to totaly disagree with you. You are right, M$ is out to make money, but that is all they are out for!

Have you read about their practices at all? Did you know that even IE was a browser userped unfairly from another company with the SPECIFIC intent of driving Netscape out of Buisness? Did you know that the very windows interface was a SPECIFIC attempt at riping off the MacOS? Did you know M$ has not actually made or designed a single pice of software themselves (save for Office and similar crap)???

Furthermore, M$ throws its weight around with the intent of forcing their associets to block other companies, like the deal with vendors shiping computers with other OS's. M$ doese not care about the end users at all and would rather make themselves a sinacure by driving everyone out of buissness and keeping their users locked in a little M$ cage.

Did you know M$ made an attempt at actually monopolizing HTML? Did you know that one of their main buisness tactics is FUD? Did you know that even DOS is a stolen OS, and thet OS/2 was also sabatoged by M$ when they baild and ran away with half the code?

And as for your other assertion that if it werent for M$ there wouldnet be PC's. AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!! Jezz.... the first PC was the freaking APPLE!!!! The only reason M$ made it as far is Windows was because of Apple! Apple had the first PC's along with Comodor Atari etc. etc. and for their day, they were pretty damn popular.

Finaly, Apple Hardware is pretty freakin awsome. Take a look at the G4 spec's, and don't come whining about Mhz because we have been thrugh this on this forum far to many times. When my bro. worked for Disney for example, they had him on a 90Mhz SGI workstation and it ran blindingly fast and renderd everything in a split second, how? Hardware optimization and effeciency.

When you see more applications for Windoze, sure, I allways wanted 3000 spread sheet programs, 16000 viruses, 1billion quake clones, to sift thrugh, but sometimes Id like to find the good ones. In any case, a suped up Mac can handle graphics apps better than any PC, which is why they are used, and why I use them.

I seriously don't understand how you can be so dilusional about M$'s buisness. Seriously, do some resaerch and you will learn just how predetory they are. For god sakes, the entire reason for the XBox was because the Sony CEO mentioned that he wanted to make the PS2 into a sort of online internet appliance, M$ pushed the XBox out the door over a weekend, bought out a bunch of good developers and threw out their origional staff (i.e. Bungie), and is now trying to take over the console market. Is this fair?

It's not quite competition when the driving factor is not to better your competitors but rather to cripple them under the weight of your economic clout. M$ has no interest in making a good product, their interst lies in keeping the user traped and limiting his choice, IE became popular this way, as well as countless other programs of theirs.

M$ never had you in mind when you bought their product, they had your wallet in mind. And the common PC user dosn't realize that M$ has 'em by the balls when they use windoze, because in that realm, when M$ says frog, everybody jumps.

[ March 15, 2002: Message edited by: psyjax ]

SPoT:
Ok, back to the virus thing 1 mo time with feeling. Nothing is secure. Yes it is very possible to get into a Linux super user login and crash it, transfer info, or wipe it out. Linux is not unhackable. Can I do it? No. But can it be done and will you see it more and more as the OS is more commonly used? Yes.
And after you get Linux up and running, what can you do with it? I said nothing I need.

Psyjax.
 
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And as for your other assertion that if it werent for M$ there wouldnet be PC's.
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I never said that. I said the popularity of PC's as a entertainment medium is due to Microsoft.

 
quote: Have you read about their practices at all?
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Yes. Do I believe it all? No.

Netscape has mismanaged thier own company without any help from Microsoft. Take a look at thier stock history. Besides, IE didnt need to specificly take out Netscape. It is an inferior product.

Now has Microsoft violated any Copywrite laws? No harm, no foul. This arguement is now dead.

As for their buisness practices...
Light weight contender. Look at APEC, look at your electric and phone companies, look at your utility company and tell me Microsoft is doing anything near a Monopoly. And it really very simple, Browsing the net is entertainment. This isnt Food or medicine. No one can die from not having it, or using it for that matter.
Microsoft makes its OS, then creates apps. to run on its software. They do not have to allow anyone to make add ons to their product. Where is Netscapes OS?

I work in a buisness where I have to look at money every day. I have to look at costs vs. profits. To make money for my company, I have to give the best service I can to draw customers away from my competitor, or at least give then a service no one else can. Now if someone comes along and offers a better service for less, Im dead unless I adjust for the compitions product also. I have to keep up to be profitable.
No one has even tried to keep up with Microsoft, so now they are dead in the water, looking for a handout.

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