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Ok soon I shall take that Linuxy plunge, however...
linux-newbie:
quote:Originally posted by lazygamer:
One more thing, I know how to delete paritions(fdisk), but how do you create them? Does fdisk destroy as well as create?
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First, FDISK destroys and creates. Any time you delete a logical drive, extended or primary partition, you wipe out all data there!
First task is to plan, then gather tools and last to execute.
Plan
You need to decide how you want to use the resources (hard drive space). What do you want to do with Windows and with Linux. If Win98 is just to run games from CD or the web, you don't need much space - no more than 500MB, certainly not more than 1G (enough to load Office and a couple other large packages). Ditto for XP but I don't know two things about XP: 1) install space required, and 2) how to set up trti-boot (Win98-XP-Linux) with LILO or GRUB. My guess is XP plus programs will need about 2-3GB.
I would put Win98 and XP on VFAT partitions to make future life easier (all three OSes will "see" all of the partitions). I suggest another VFAT partition (E of 10GB (or more) that will become your "common" drive to hold your DATA files - those files you create - which would be accessable to all OSes. This is what I have done for years and it has never failed me.
OK, lets see - we have a 1G (C for Win98, a 3G (D for XP and a 10G (E data storage partition. To do that, I would use the 40G drive as MASTER, partitioned per above. The 8G drive, set as SLAVE, will hold the core Linux OS and the balance of the unassigned space on the MASTER drive could hold the Linux "/home" partition (this is similar to the Windows MyDocuments and ProgramFiles directories) - lots of room to grow there!
Write down your final partition plan. Remember that DOS (Windows) "sees" physical drive("0") (the MASTER in a multi-drive system) as the bootable device and assigns "C:" to the first partition on that physical drive (the partition is assigned to DOS and made active). If the second physical drive ("1") is assigned to DOS, it automatically becomes "D:". This does NOT happen if the second physical drive is not assigned to DOS (this would be the case in my suggested arrangement).
Per the arrangement above, you would have -
MASTER (40G, physical drive "0") which is partitioned into:
Primary Partition - C: of 1GB
Extended DOS Partition - 13GB
Logical Drives in Extended partition - D: of 3GB, E: of 10GB
[logical drives are made in the extended partition, in this case (3GB-D + (10GB-E = (13GB extended partition)]
Unassigned - balance of drive (about 25GB)
SLAVE (8G, physical drive "1"): No DOS partitions
THESE ARE JUST IDEAS - everyone will have their own way of doing things. Obviously the numbers can be adjusted to suit your needs (such as a 20GB "E:" partition for MP3 files).
Gather Tools
You will need to get someone else to help you with multiple boot with XP. Get whatever tools they recommend.
You will need a Win98 boot floppy disk with FDISK and FORMAT copied to it. Make the bootable disk using MyComputer > [A:] > File > Format > Type=FULL, Optios=CopySystemFiles, START. Using Windows Explore, navigate to "C:\Windows\Command" directory and copy FDISK.EXE and FORMAT.EXE to the bootable floppy disk you just made.
You will need the partition list made during planning.
You will need the hard drvie manufacturers instructions (to set jumpers).
You will need hand tools such as screw driver(s), flashlight, etc. (to remove and re-install HDs).
You will need all software to be installed, plus the "key" or serial number, such as:
Win98 (assumes a bootable CD version)
WinXP
Anti-virus program(s)
Productivity programs
Games/fun programs
Linux
Execute - just do it
Unplug your computer from AC and external devices.
Put both hdds onto IDE channel 0 (same cable of the first IDE controller channel). Change around the hard drives so the 40GB is MASTER and the 8GB is SLAVE. This requires setting jumper blocks on the drives so you will need the manufacturers instructions. Replace panels, cables, external devices and plug into AC.
Start computer, enter the BIOS setup and change the First Boot Device to FLOPPY. SAVE changes to BIOS and EXIT.
Boot to the bootable floppy disk you made and run FDISK.
FDISK (defaults to the MASTER hdd)
...enable large disk support? = "Y"
Delete all logical drives, extended partition and primary partition (you said you know how to do this).
ESCAPE back to the opening FDISK screen and change to the other physical drive (I think it's option "5" - going from memory here). Repeat deletions from the second drive.
ESCAPE back to the opening FDISK screen and change back to the first drive (the MASTER 40G drive).
You have now dedleted ALL the stuff from both hard drives. Time to create new DOS drives.
Select "1. Create DOS Partition..."
Select "1. Create Primary DOS Partition"
Change the size to "1000"
ENTER
ESC back one screen
Select "2. Create Extended DOS Partition"
Change the size to "13000"
ENTER
ESC back one screen
Select "3. Create Logical DOS Drive(s) in the Extended DOS Partition"
Change the size to "3000"
ENTER
ESC back one screen
Select "3. Create Logical DOS Drives(s)..."
Change the size to "10000"
Enter
ESC until you exit FDISK and return to the "A:\>" prompt
Reboot the computer (leave floppy disk in drive).
FORMAT drives C:, D:, and E:
Remove the floppy disk.
Insert Win98 setup CD-ROM into drive.
IMPORTANT: the next section assumes you will install Win98 from a bootable CD.
Reboot the computer, enter the BIOS setup and change the First Boot Device to CD-ROM and the second device to HDD-0. SAVE changes and EXIT.
Computer should boot into Win98 setup CD. Install Win98 and secondary programs per their instructions.
Follow instrtuctions to load XP per help from someone else.
Follow instructions to load Linux.
Good luck and happy computing.
Regards,
Linux-Newbie
linux-newbie:
Sorry - I forgot to turn off the darn smilie faces.
Linux-Newbie
voidmain:
quote:Originally posted by linux-newbie:
First, FDISK destroys and creates. Any time you delete a logical drive, extended or primary partition, you wipe out all data there!
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Actually that is not quite true. All that really happens when you delete a partition, is you delete the partition boundry which is only a few bytes of data in the partition table, not the data itself. However the data will be useless without that partition boundry (or special software and knowlege). You can in fact delete a partition, then if you recreate the partition in exactly the same place of exactly the same size your data will still be there just as if you did nothing at all. If you want to test this, create a small partition, copy some data to it, delete it, then recreate the partition.
Of course this is just a technicality. Oh, and you can edit your posts by clicking on the edit ICON directly above your post if you wanted to fix your smileys...
linux-newbie:
quote:Originally posted by VoidMain:
Actually that is not quite true. All that really happens when you delete a partition, is you delete the partition boundry which is only a few bytes of data in the partition table, not the data itself. If you want to test this, create a small partition, copy some data to it, delete it, then recreate the partition....Of course this is just a technicality.
Oh, and you can edit your posts by clicking on the edit ICON directly above your post if you wanted to fix your smileys...
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I tried to keep the post reasonably "low tech" as many people don't really need or want that level of detail...they just want to get a task done.
Thanks for the info about fixing the smileys - I think I'll leave them so I don't look like a geek (just a nerd).
Regards,
Linux-Newbie
[ August 06, 2002: Message edited by: linux-newbie ]
lazygamer:
quote:OK, this info helps. Can you partition your 8G drive into C: and D:, install Win98 on C: and XP on D:? That would leave the 40G drive for Linux.
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Oh that makes sense alright, but this Linux is meant to be a proving ground. If I can prove to ma "Look ma Linux r0x0rs!", then I can probably get the 40 gig for Linux... or not. ;)
quote:
Or, partition the 40G drive (C: and D and install Win98 and XP and leave the full 8G drive for Linux.
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I believe my brother mentioned that he feels you can't mix win XP and Win98 on the same harddrive. Of course im not sure if that was refering to the same partition or not. But simple is best, and that's what this has to be.
My plan was to keep the 40gig for XP, but mainly a repository for big shit(read rograms) in XP, W98 and Linux. I mean it is possible for Linux to access my big D drive(also note that my 40 gig D drive would not need to be formatted at all, it can just stay as is. Although later I want to format it and re-install X-pee).
Holy shit Linux newbie your scaring me, fuck I'd quote you but Wind0ze is being gay and not copying text right. I mean im very uncomfortable that even my help would understand what you just said or just say "nah let's do it this way".
Isn't it just as simple as
A)Boot from windows 95 CD
A)Format 8 gig(C and E)
B)create a giant 8 gig C partition
C)Install wind0ze onto that partition
D)Boot from Mandrake CD
E)Mandrake adjusts wind0ze C partition and installs it self in the new partition
F)And where outta here ;)
I mean shit like motherboard jumper adjusting, wierd partitions etc. ARRRRGH! I want this to be simple dude, much easier to do, less paranoia about deadends(given by a super paranoid father and a worrywart mother). In fact so easy that from A-F I may not even need more technically advanced help. ;)
Besides, Linux gets this small little cubby hole to prove itself to an evil, accursed blood line of wind0ze worshipers(well not exactly "worship", more like "accept").
PS:I have windows 98 UPGRADE which is always installed over Windows 95.
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