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brk3

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« on: 11 September 2004, 15:24 »
Has anyone seen the recent ads around the web lately - get the facts, Linux is 10 - 12% more expensive to run as a server than microsoft? http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/facts/default.mspx
Theres the url, plain as day. thats what they're saying. is it a lie? you all may just jump on and scoff, oh that must be bullshit but how could they make claims like that if they arent somewhat true.
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« Reply #1 on: 11 September 2004, 15:43 »
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Originally posted by brk3:
how could they make claims like that if they arent somewhat true.
Comments please.



The answer to your final question is quite simple, actually: it's their website, they can say whatever they want on it as long as defamation can't be proved (and let's face it, they have deeper pockets than Torvalds & Co.).  My concern is that the reports cited are spinning off half-truths as fact by stating manhours to be equivalent to lost revenue.  That's not necessarily so; most Linux admins I know work for the same wages as MSCE-certs, and get ten times as much done in a five-minute period.  What the reports are analysing are the INITIAL TCOs, which involve compile time on the Linux side and installations on the Windows side.  To that end, there is a certain billable loss in manhours, but the reports - more often than not - fail to cite the increased productivity AFTER the initial setup.  The mistake becomes apparent when defined corporate entities attempt to spin initial setup fees as absolute truth.

In summary, it's not so much the content of these reports as the way Microsoft interprets them.  Yet another reason to wish another pie in Billy's face.

EDIT: Fixed 4th-hour dyslexia.

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« Reply #2 on: 11 September 2004, 15:50 »
Most if not all of the factors leading to higher costs they point to relate to the initial adoption of the platform, not the cost of running it long term e.g. Cost of training, unfamiliarity with the platform, steep learning curve for companies already familiar with/using a different system.

Oh and it's a bit carelessly researched - they refer to the GPL (General Public License) as the "GNU Public License".
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« Reply #3 on: 11 September 2004, 20:45 »
im sure they can twist results whatever way they want. infact i just heard there that they put microsoft on a brand new mainframe and linux on older pcs for the test!! microsoft did a completly unfair comparison. the full story is on linuxformat.co.uk. (link on the homepage)

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« Reply #4 on: 11 September 2004, 20:50 »
fuck - im just googling it now. heres the the full story. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3600724.stm

Microsoft are so full of shite its not true. they have to resort to lieing to make buisness

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« Reply #5 on: 11 September 2004, 22:02 »
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Originally posted by brk3:
fuck - im just googling it now. heres the the full story. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3600724.stm

Microsoft are so full of shite its not true. they have to resort to lieing to make buisness




When it comes to these large tales of myths, M$ have been doing it for years.  It is why the majority of computer users know better.  It is why We know that M$ Longhorn is gonna be the same as all the other M$ OS'es out there and we know this because M$ was never about building an OS but just building a briliant add campain.
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« Reply #6 on: 12 September 2004, 00:54 »
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Originally posted by flap:
Most if not all of the factors leading to higher costs they point to relate to the initial adoption of the platform, not the cost of running it long term e.g. Cost of training, unfamiliarity with the platform, steep learning curve for companies already familiar with/using a different system.


Meaning that if you already have Windows installed, and have spent countless hours training your people to use it, then your costs will be higher.  Yes, that's true, but it is only true because Windows already has so much market dominance.  Circular logic - the circle needs to be broken.

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« Reply #7 on: 12 September 2004, 07:52 »
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When it comes to these large tales of myths, M$ have been doing it for years.  It is why the majority of computer users know better.  It is why We know that M$ Longhorn is gonna be the same as all the other M$ OS'es out there and we know this because M$ was never about building an OS but just building a briliant add campain.


Can you do me a favor?
Try to refer to Microsoft by it's name; not M$ or Microsoft

Or are you able to do that?

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« Reply #8 on: 12 September 2004, 08:22 »
Oh no, the language police!

How dare anyone say what they want?  Such democratic notions are frowned upon.  Free speech only applies to Canadian Lover and opinions that match his.

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« Reply #9 on: 12 September 2004, 08:50 »
"There are Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics."
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« Reply #10 on: 12 September 2004, 21:21 »
"At least statistics don't pretend to be accurate."
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EDIT: Incredible what a difference "don't" can make, isn't it?   :D

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« Reply #11 on: 12 September 2004, 21:25 »
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Originally posted by worker201:
Oh no, the language police!

How dare anyone say what they want?  Such democratic notions are frowned upon.  Free speech only applies to Canadian Lover and opinions that match his.

Jackass



Shutup bitch!

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« Reply #12 on: 12 September 2004, 21:48 »
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Originally posted by Canadian Lover:

Can you do me a favor?
Try to refer to Microsoft by it's name; not M$ or Microsoft

Or are you able to do that?

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because this is how you appear, when you use M-Dollar-Sign
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« Reply #13 on: 12 September 2004, 12:33 »
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Originally posted by Canadian Lover:


Shutup bitch!

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Edit that, muthafucka!  You fascist whooooore!

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« Reply #14 on: 12 September 2004, 15:06 »
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Canadian Lover: Can you do me a favor?
Try to refer to Microsoft by it's name; not M$ or Microsoft


Maybe we should talk this over on M$N M