Screw OS X I think...

[excyle-the-art-fag]

You know, this is not a trollpost, so if you delete it you are a nazi moderator offically.

I have not really used OS X much, but what useful features (not useless UI features that simily waste my time) does it have that say GNOME on Red-Hat 8.0 dont need.

NONE

Im not including software compatability, and I dont use Photoshop, Macromedia.

This is what I need in my machine...
A) GAMES WHERE YOU KILL PEOPLE (WineX + GTA3 Vice  City)
B) OpenOffice.org
C) Mozilla
D) Ximian Evolution
E) mplayer
F) PORN
G) RUN ON A SHITBOX INTEL BECAUSE IM POOR

Mac OS X cant do this because it is evil. Apple are trying to make a 2 class system of Apple and Non Apple users.

They also did a whorejob of the Mach Kernel, which is bad.

[xyle_one]

quote:Originally posted by Look at me dance:
You know, this is not a trollpost, so if you delete it you are a nazi moderator offically.

I have not really used OS X much, but what useful features (not useless UI features that simily waste my time) does it have that say GNOME on Red-Hat 8.0 dont need.

NONE

Im not including software compatability, and I dont use Photoshop, Macromedia.

This is what I need in my machine...
A) GAMES WHERE YOU KILL PEOPLE (WineX + GTA3 Vice  City)
B) OpenOffice.org
C) Mozilla
D) Ximian Evolution
E) mplayer
F) PORN
G) RUN ON A SHITBOX INTEL BECAUSE IM POOR

Mac OS X cant do this because it is evil. Apple are trying to make a 2 class system of Apple and Non Apple users.

They also did a whorejob of the Mach Kernel, which is bad.

well. osx is a very stable system running on very stable hardware. i bought it that way. i did not have to do anything to get  it there. it is perfect out of the box. see, that is the thing about apple. it is not for everyday computer users, i feel they are made strictly for certain people with certain needs, ie, design professionals. period. they try to venture out into other areas, but i see these systems as being custom built for design pros. i never have to open a terminal, i never have to compile anything. i also never have blue screens, or have an app bring the system down. osx, or rather aqua, is exactly what *nix needs. too bad quartz & aqua were not GPL'd.

I am running Open Office & MS Office, 4 different browsers, mplayer. word. games? i am sure i could get some games for the mac, but i would rather use it for other things. someone else would have to answer that. i have had redhat restart for no fucking reason on me several times. osx has not done that. redhat does not crash nearly as much as say, windows, but the fact that i crash the system says alot. the only time(s) i have crashed osx was when i didnt unmount samba shares and turned the other computer off. then osx freajed out because the other computer was off, but had a volume mounted. that is it. not too bad. for the money, i feel the mac is more than worth it.

[jasonlane]

quote:Originally posted by ecsyle:951:

well. osx is a very stable system running on very stable hardware. i bought it that way. i did not have to do anything to get  it there. it is perfect out of the box. see, that is the thing about apple. it is not for everyday computer users, i feel they are made strictly for certain people with certain needs, ie, design professionals. period. they try to venture out into other areas, but i see these systems as being custom built for design pros. i never have to open a terminal, i never have to compile anything. i also never have blue screens, or have an app bring the system down. osx, or rather aqua, is exactly what *nix needs. too bad quartz & aqua were not GPL'd.

I am running Open Office & MS Office, 4 different browsers, mplayer. word. games? i am sure i could get some games for the mac, but i would rather use it for other things. someone else would have to answer that. i have had redhat restart for no fucking reason on me several times. osx has not done that. redhat does not crash nearly as much as say, windows, but the fact that i crash the system says alot. the only time(s) i have crashed osx was when i didnt unmount samba shares and turned the other computer off. then osx freajed out because the other computer was off, but had a volume mounted. that is it. not too bad. for the money, i feel the mac is more than worth it.

You're right ecsyle:951 but I don't think that OS X is solely a design platform now, you're implying it's only for photoshopers and the like. OS X is the platform of choice for a lot of developers, including myself. I use terminal about 70% of the time and I don't even have Photoshop on my machine.

I also run OpenOffice X11, mplayer you're not going to need cos Quicktime & iTunes etc... beats the hell out of any else our there.

I must say, call me bias if you want but OS X is one of the very best OS's out there at the moment and yes I've tried plenty others infact I use Suse regularly.

If you're worried about cost, buy a refurb.

 

[ July 13, 2003: Message edited by: Zardoz ]

[xyle_one]

quote:Originally posted by Zardoz:


You're right ecsyle:951 but I don't think that OS X is solely a design platform now, you're implying it only for photoshopers and the like. OS X is the platform of choice for a lot of developers, including myself. I use terminal about 70% of the time and I don't even have Photoshop on my machine.

I also run OpenOffice X11, mplayer you're not going to need cos Quicktime & iTunes etc... beats the hell out of any else our there.

I must say, call me bias if you want but OS X is one of the very best OS's out there at the moment and yes I've tried plenty others infact I use Suse regularly.

yeah, i didnt want it to sound like it is sctrictly for photoshoppers, but it is a specialized machine in a way. it is not for the average consumer. it is a tool, not a toy, it is a serious peice of equipment. when i go to comp usa and pick up some random computer peices, i go home and build a toy to play with. but my mac is the only tool i have that is built for it. my pcs are random peices thrown together on which i run a few os's. not to talk shit about x86 and clone pcs, but the mac feels solid. it feels like a bmw. ehh. i will try to clarify later. i am tired and need sleep. its like 6:30am.

[Stilly]

if you want games where you kill people on a mac heres a few off the top of my head(many are fairly old):

1. Red Faction
2. Unreal Tournament 2003
3. Medal of Honor
4. quake 3
5. deus ex
6. all the blizzard games
7. Postal

[jasonlane]

quote:Originally posted by ecsyle:951:

yeah, i didnt want it to sound like it is sctrictly for photoshoppers, but it is a specialized machine in a way. it is not for the average consumer. it is a tool, not a toy, it is a serious peice of equipment. when i go to comp usa and pick up some random computer peices, i go home and build a toy to play with. but my mac is the only tool i have that is built for it. my pcs are random peices thrown together on which i run a few os's. not to talk shit about x86 and clone pcs, but the mac feels solid. it feels like a bmw. ehh. i will try to clarify later. i am tired and need sleep. its like 6:30am.

No that's cool man, I get you.

You sound about as crazy as I am, I've been going to bed at 4:30'ish recently. Get some sleep.

[excyle-the-art-fag]

OS-X Users are like fucking Volvo drivers.

[Laukev7]

No, they are like many other NeXT, BeOS, Amiga and  Acorn fans who actually love their platform for their merits, rather than because it is industry standard (ie. Microsofties) or for political reasons (like free software or open source) or, in some cases, because they don't want to pay for what they use.

[Zombie9920]

In reply to the Mac feels like a BMW comment.

PC's are like Cheverolet, Dodge and Ford. You can get one that will smoke the BMW for less money.

A $50,000 Corvette Z06, a $63,000 Dodge Viper GTS-R or a $40,000 Mustang SVT Cobra  will beat the hell out of any beemer on the track, on the strip or even in a street race. A top of the line beemer costs alot more than a Dodge Viper GTS-R. However, the cheaper Corvette Z06 and Viper GTS-R will beat the hell out of that Cobra which already beats out the ridiculously expensive beemer.

You know that the $70,000 BMW M5(thats right...$70,000 for a fucking family sedan) tops out at like 150mph? What kind of shit is that? I mean come'on....the $50,000 Corvette Z06 tops out at 183mph stock and the $63,000 Viper GTS-R tops out at about 201mph stock.


I guess you are right. Mac's are the BMW of computers. You pay more for less performance and the people who pay for the ridiculously overpriced, underpowered machines are led to believe that thier machine is magically special or something.

[ July 14, 2003: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]

[Laukev7]

quote: You pay more for less performance and the people who pay for the ridiculously overpriced, underpowered machines are led to believe that thier machine is magically special or something.

I have very little knowledge about cars, so I will have to give you the benefit of doubt on that. But asserting that you pay more for less performance when you buy a Mac certainly betrays your ignorance on the matter. Surely you must have heard of the G5 by now? Even before its release, there are reports of tests with G5s handling scientific jobs very adequately, at a much lesser price. And the NASA seems to agree with that, too. So your argument is a bit dated now.

As for personal users, it has often been demonstrated that Macs and many other alternative platforms are much less expensive and more productive in the long run than Wintel computers. And even the initial prices, with every feature taken into account, are very competitive.

Of course, if price is your major concern, it is still possible to build your own Mac. There are many tutorials online for that purpose.

[sway]

quote:Originally posted by Zombie9920:
In reply to the Mac feels like a BMW comment.

PC's are like Cheverolet, Dodge and Ford. You can get one that will smoke the BMW for less money.

A $50,000 Corvette Z06, a $63,000 Dodge Viper GTS-V(or even the $55,000 GTS-R for that matter) or a $70,000 Mustang GT Cobra R will beat the hell out of any beemer on the track, on the strip or even in a street race. A top of the line beemer costs alot more than the Mustang Cobra(the most expensive of the x86 comparison). However, the cheaper Corvette Z06 and the mid-priced Viper GTS-V will beat the hell out of that more expensive Cobra R which already beats out the ridiculously expensive beemer.

You know that the $65,000 BMW M5(thats right...$65,000 for a fucking family sedan) tops out at like 140mph? What kind of shit is that? I mean come'on....the $50,000 Corvette Z06 tops out at 183mph stock and the $63,000 Viper GTS-V tops out at about 192mph stock.


I guess you are right. Mac's are the BMW of computers. You pay more for less performance and the people who pay for the ridiculously overpriced, underpowered machines are led to believe that thier machine is magically special or something.

[ July 13, 2003: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]

the m5 tops at 173mph.

[sway]

okay, everybody does the mac = bmw thing wrong.

for one, comparing a bmw to a dodge/honda/etc isn't correct. they are in a different market. dodge sells to the average consumer, as an average car maker. bmw sells to people who want a sports/luxury car with many features they will probably never use and amazing build quality. i mean.. look at the crash test ratings of some of the german cars compared to everything else, is your life worth an extra $20k?  

anyways.. comparing a mac and pc is pretty much the same way. you just can't do it. the only thing that even compared to a mac was the bebox.

once again, i am a genius.

[Laukev7]

Now I think of it, Zombie, there are a few important thing I have been taught about cars: people seldom go any faster than 100 km/h on highways without being arrested (I use the metric system, so I don't know how much 183 mph is). Therefore, basing your arguments that one brand is overpriced on the power of its motor is a bit flawed. Perhaps you should consider the merits of a comfortable, luxurious car, or a durable car that will last longer without repairs, or perhaps a car that will cost you much less in the long run with a low fuel consumption.

[Pantso]

There are a couple of things I'd like to say in reply to X11's post.

When talking about OS X we have to either talk about OS X's licensing issues or about the software itself. I choose not to talk about the former simply because OS X is not Free or Open Source Software in any way but rather talk about the latter which is simply OS X's architecture.

OS X is based on Darwin as you may or may know, which is simply a FreeBSD derivative. OS X's subsystem is therefore remarkably stable. As for the Mach microkernel, well do you happen to know many systems that run on a microkernel instead of a monolithic one, like GNU/Linux does? As for the differences, I urge you to google it up before referring to the Mach microkernel as garbage.

OS X's other layers, like Quartz and Aqua as well as the Cocoa and the Carbon frameworks that have been added by Apple's engineers, that's another story. Yes, OS X has all the eye-candy anyone would want or yet again if you don't want it you can simply use the console. The truth however is that many programmers love to program in OS X.

As for myself, I think that I'll soon be running GentooPPC on my iBook solely. This doesn't mean of course that I don't like OS X. OS X simply smokes and those who tell you otherwise are all of the times people that haven't used it. I chose to install Linux only because I'm worried about Apple's licensing policy but those of you who aren't keep using OS X, which is by far the most technically advanced OS out there today.

Just my 2 (Euro)cents

[jasonlane]

WTF!!! what's all this comparing OS's to car's?

X11 explain to me why OS X users are like volvo drivers? What there reliable, it's reliable? What?