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sporkme:
i haven't said anything about this specifically on this forum, but i had been speaking my piece on another board.  there is more to say but... well oh well.

ya like ta hear it here it go...

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 it does not matter what saddam has to say. he can agree to spork himself every hour on the hour, but as always, he will not follow through with any of it.

the tiring united nations and a liberal united states have managed to wield thier massive beaurocracy so tactfully as to make saddam feel that he has a license to do whatever he wants, as long as he placates us while he's at it. that is exactly what he has been doing since the last time we went over there and shook it up.

re: oil. our aggression toward this cruel and tyrannical despot has a lot to do with oil, but not in the way you think it does. what was the iraqi regime after in 1991? gold? crops? water? no, no no, no... oil my friends. their goal was to take control of the entirity of middle-eastern oil fields. thier plans were to raise the price of oil to the sky, and revel in our money as they plotted to destroy the civilized world.

re: weapons of mass destruction and murder. when saddam (cheerfully agreeing to every un security council edict) gave our inspectors the boot, it was because they had found too many such weapons and were likely nearing a large cache. that was four years ago. he was working his sandy little ass off to rain fire down on us infidels... and what? did he just stop? do you honestly believe that he would agree to our disarmament demands?

i can already hear you screaming: "but the united states and several other countries have such weapons! who are we to say who can and cant? blah, blah, blah..." we have never killed our own people. we have never used gas in a war. we respect the right of all people to live in freedom. they, frankly, are not to be trusted. in the iran-iraq war, both sides used gas weapons. 1.3 million casualties and 900,000 dead. that is only in war! the iraqi despotism has continued "testing" these bad boys on minorities under his own rule. we have no idea how many people have died!

consider this: a recently defected iraqi nuclear scientist told the united states government that saddam was within months of having nuclear weapons under his control, suggesting that possibly such a weapon could be concealed in a suitcase and... i don't know... sit there harmlessly? my white american ass! you know as well as i that these would be headed straight for u.s. or isreal or some civilized nation, to kill. the scientist pleaded with us to attack them, to save countless lives.

re: terrorism. the british government either has or is about to release thier findings on ties between terrorists (including al quida) and the maniac in question. without a doubt, saddam has funded, hosted, and suppoorted such groups --consider his hatred for the americans and israelis and you will see.

re: stability. many of these tyrants on the u.n. ~in~security council are afraid that democracy, freedom, and tolerance may break out like a white plague, leaving them powerless or even imprisoned by the poeple they oppressed.

re: american losses. i have heard the argument made that "unacceptable american or allied losses may occur in an invasion of iraq." i would say that such losses have already been incurred! even before september eleventh! we will be preventing more! furthermore, one starving, uneducated kurd watching his children tortured, his wife raped, and then being executed by having gasoline poured down his throat and being fed a match is already way too far for me to tolerate! this happens under saddam! do you support this? do you think we should INSPECT this? no! we have to stop this! soldiers in the united states army are volunteers. people in planes are not. if we could have realized this, somolia would not be a starving hell hole.

re: iraqui losses. first, reread the prior paragraph. then consider: in prisons in the u.s., signs on the wall say "sit down when shots are fired." that is our military policy. they will not fight back much, and for those who do, it will be like mowing a lawn straight to baghdad.

re: making it worse. some would argue that by attacking iraq, we are making more angry young militant islamists. this is absolutely right. here's the thing: its already terrible! they hate anyone that is not them! this can remind us of a special group of hateful and domineering shitheads from days of yon..........

such as hitler! bolsheviks! nazis! the klan! can you imagine if someone had pre-empted the fledgling nazi regime? so many dead from inaction. not this time pal. saddam, mugabi, and friends, the world can no longer tolerate you. we have to save humanity from itself, because we know how.

i could go on for hours and hours. talk gets us little.

in conclusion, defending saddam is as idiotic as it is wrong and dangerous. it is for the safety of americans and freedom living people the world over that we go in there and many other places as well, and set things right.


think, then post.

Master of Reality:

quote:Originally posted by sporkme / bob:
think, then post.
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think? My brain hurts.

lazygamer:

quote:re: american losses. i have heard the argument made that "unacceptable american or allied losses may occur in an invasion of iraq." i would say that such losses have already been incurred! even before september eleventh! we will be preventing more! furthermore, one starving, uneducated kurd watching his children tortured, his wife raped, and then being executed by having gasoline poured down his throat and being fed a match is already way too far for me to tolerate! this happens under saddam! do you support this? do you think we should INSPECT this? no! we have to stop this! soldiers in the united states army are volunteers. people in planes are not. if we could have realized this, somolia would not be a starving hell hole.
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Yes, it makes sense to attack Iraq. Just remember that no matter how much good the US does through some actions like toppling the Taliban or preventing nuclear BS from Iraq, they are still not the good guys. They have much corruption and evil at home, it's just not so blunt and widespread like in Iraq, it's also much harder to "hear about" because it's swept under the table so good.

As for military losses, I feel this is a joke. The US military is a monster, Iraq is a 3rd world country(not to diss the US, but it seems strange that they never engage 1st world countries) who has been severely crippled by the US through military action and economic sanctions. The US didn't lose much in the gulf war. Im for an invasion, but they should finish the fucking job this time, totally kill off their shitty government and get a democracy in.

voidmain:

quote:Originally posted by lazygamer:
Yes, it makes sense to attack Iraq. Just remember that no matter how much good the US does through some actions like toppling the Taliban or preventing nuclear BS from Iraq, they are still not the good guys.

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I suppose that would depend on your point of view. By my point of view we (the US) are the good guys.

 
quote:They have much corruption and evil at home, it's just not so blunt and widespread like in Iraq, it's also much harder to "hear about" because it's swept under the table so good.
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Oh, thanks for straightening this out for me...

 
quote:As for military losses, I feel this is a joke. The US military is a monster, Iraq is a 3rd world country(not to diss the US, but it seems strange that they never engage 1st world countries) who has been severely crippled by the US through military action and economic sanctions.
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Well, having first hand experience in the Gulf war I actually personally knew a couple of people who lost their lives there. It is true that the casualties were minimal (thank God, or I might not be here to pester you on these forums). Regarding the statement about the US not engaging 1st world countries. Just why do you think that is?  It's not because we are scared of doing it, it's because 1st world countries are civilized and play by the rules.  And I suppose it's the fault of the US that Iraq invaded Kuwait in the first place? Keep it coming....

 
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 The US didn't lose much in the gulf war. Im for an invasion, but they should finish the fucking job this time, totally kill off their shitty government and get a democracy in.
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Maybe you should volunteer your ass to fucking come along this time so the terrorists will chase your ass around after "finishing the fucking job".

sporkme:
::yes::

edit:

criticizing the united states does not make these rogue governments look any better, nor does it make them want to let your family live.

i am not going to rant (i just deleted a whole lot of text).

without your support, the united states may not be so willing to help your neighbors.

[ September 18, 2002: Message edited by: sporkme / bob ]

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