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voidmain:
Well, I don't want to rant either because I have always thought of Canada and most of Europe as our close friends, but seeing comments like this make me wonder...

I can tell you one thing, if Iraq would have invaded Canada instead of Kuwait I would have been the first one to come and help them out. And if a terrorist goes in and blows some shit up in Canada today I will be the first one to come to their aid if they want it.

I just think there are a lot of misinformation floating around.  Then of course there are the opinions.  Opinions are like ass holes... everybody has one, and they all stink (including mine).

And I'm especially pissed at you sporkme for starting this thread.  I *hate* political discussion on this site, best left to political discussion sites.  I was going to try like hell not to post in this thread but I was again drawn in...

[ September 18, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]

sporkme:
oh, and re: finishing the job...

our allies wanted to stop, not the united states. colin powell urged the president to push to baghdad and he agreed, but the loosely united nations stopped us, as the job as they saw it was done: get the iraqi army back into iraq and contain them.

imagine if we had been ALLOWED to finish this particular job a decade ago... so many lives saved.  thanks un!  really!  cnn was getting boring!  i want my buddy to face vx gas!

...liberals have all the answers but none of the solutions.  read before you accuse us of wimping out.  Rwanda... that was a wimp-out.

[ September 18, 2002: Message edited by: sporkme / bob ]

sporkme:
heheh someone needs to invade florida... they can have it.


sorry for over-posting

[ September 18, 2002: Message edited by: sporkme / bob ]

Calum:
iraq says 'let's not have a war, the inspectors can come in after all'.

the us says 'no! you are double dealing muslim paki bastards! let's have a war since we know we can win'.

Now i am not prejudiced towards one side or the other, but i do not think a war is ever a good idea under any circumstances. so what do you imagine my opinion is, bearing that in mind?

i will say though, that i have been suspicious about us military tactics since i heard that roosevelt knew about pearl harbour in advance. He knew and i know that the us would not have joined the 2nd world war without being directly attacked itself, since it was more lucrative to sell arms to both sides and stay at home.

i'm not saying the US is cowardly or anything negative like that, i am just saying that whatever altruism it reels off, the US is always motivated by self interest. nothing wrong with that by itself, but it's this 'attack on democracy' 'war on terrorism' palaver that irks me. why not just be honest and call a spade a spade?
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quote:I can tell you one thing, if Iraq would have invaded Canada instead of Kuwait I would have been the first one to come and help them out. And if a terrorist goes in and blows some shit up in Canada today I will be the first one to come to their aid if they want it.
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and to further complicate matters, here is a complete example of somebody who is motivated by altruism and not just self interest. The person quoted here does not fit into the general application of what i just said a few inches above. but wait! this is no freedom fighter, nor some hippy, this was posted by void main a couple of posts back, himself a veteran and a patriot. (i hope i don't irritate you by saying this about you void main, my intention is not to annoy you into making a response, so my apologies if i insult)

Just goes to show that a government, a country and her people, while they may not be aware of it, can be completely different from each other.

Personally i think the main irritation that some of the world has about america is that the americans see it from their point of view, and whoever's on the receiving end sees it from their own point of view. not much we can really do about that except for a huge effort of putting ourselves in each others' shoes and taking responsibility for our own actions.

[ September 18, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]

sporkme:
yes, the rhetoric pisses me off to...

but that is what it takes to make stupid people agree with you; labeling someone a "historical terrorist" or a "defender of freedom" or saying something about "kitchen table issues" raises uneducated eyebrows... hehehe

heres the thing though...

the iraqi government is being sneaky, just like they always have.  inspectors will not be able to stop the brutal massacre of innocent people.  inspectors will not be able to stop the proliferation of hate.  inspectors will simply placate people that think "to hell with the kurds, as long as i feel safe" --and at the same time they will truly accomplish about as little as before.

the only solution is to remove them from power.  inspected or no, these are the same folks.

so...

WAR!! WAR!! KILL!! DESTORY!!

errrrr wait a sec... what i meant to say was:

SAVE THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ!!  HOLD SADDAM ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE MURDERS ("crimes against humanity" -worthless rhetoric) HE HAS COMMITTED!!

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