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Siplus:
hmm...somehow i don't remember resorting to personal attacks in my post. i respect your opinions about socialism/capitialsim...

 
quote:It is not inevitable that people have to be sheep. Most people simply have been raised from an early age to accept whatever crap is shoved down their throat.  
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true. but i do not see people being raised differently in the near future


 
quote: Helping people is its own reward. Doesn't it feel good to help people? If everyone helped each other a little more without thought of "profit" or a cash reward our society would be for the better.
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point taken.

 
quote: I for one have greater faith in humanity.
 
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sadly, i don't. i wish i could have hope for humanity like you

i see only distruction and corruption, to the point where we can never achive a perfect society. that is why i think socialism will never work, because, as you said 'we' capitialists say that people are too stupid, people are too stupid. they can not handle the concept of helping people without monetary compensation. it would take forever to change that fact. education, at least in the USA, is horrible and little or nothing is happening to fix that. but look at countries who claim to be 'communist' (which is of course a type of socialism), they are even worce (china, north korea...)

our world is not perfect. capitialism is our best choice for what we have to work with in this world. if we manage to improve the public to be compatible with socialism, i would accept it fully

slave:
Well, never say never.  Our society may have a bright future after all.

Calum:
interestingly, while i agree with siplus on many points, generally i agree with his observations, although i don't think i am quite so extreme about how everything's going down the shitter (but maybe i'm reading it wrong) because as far as i can see, a lot of things are going down the shitter, but where there's life there's hope et c. the only way you'll change something is by doing things, which you do do if you're alive, groaning on about how everything's shit isn't helping (not that i'm accusing siplus of that, but there are a lot of moaners out there who don't fucking do anything (for example VOTE) but they still feel like they have a right to be all holier than thou about it. as far as i'm concerned, if you didn't vote in the last election, you have no right to comment on politics (unless you were too young to vote obviously) and that goes for other things too).

but anyway like i was saying, while i agree with siplus' observations to a good degree, i am a socialist. a real socialist. i voted for the scottish socialist party in the last election because they were the party i most agreed with. there is a cultural need for me to vote for the scottish nationalists right now, but fuck, the nationalists are so childish and the socialists just have their shit together. socialists deserve to be heard in parliament. go and browse their website to see what i mean.

i just do not have any respect for somebody who says the world's fucked so capitalism is the best bet. no it is not. capitalism is the easy way out. you are saying "we're all cunts, so we might as well act it", but bullshit! why not try and better your society while you're on this planet? you'll get a shitload of satisfaction from that, more than you ever would money in the bank and a history of squashing your enemies in the business arena.

sadly, people don't know the benefits of socialism if they don't try it.

largely it is a very similar setup as the microsoft/linux setup. i will leave you to figure out which analogises socialism and which capitalism.

cahult:
I am what you might call a social liberal, in between right and left, if there really is such a thing as right and left in politics. Marx once said that religion is an opium for the people. I would like to add that politics is heroin for the people...

billy_gates:
First off I want to say, I did not read the whole post, too boring for me.  But I did want to reply.  I, although only 16 consider myself to be a hard on conservative capitalist.  I would not go so far as to consider you immature or stupid or whatever for believing in something different.  My personal opinion however is....If you don't want to be in a capitalist government move to china or north korea or some solcialist/communist country.  That way you can be with your other believers.  Although, based on the conditions in most of those countries I do not think they believe in socialism/communism.

I admit there are faults to capitalism, as we are seeing now with these corporate scandals, but I think our mix of capitalism and socialism, to allow people to work for money, but try to limit their ability to screw other people, is working pretty well so far.

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