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So let me get this straight. 15 insepctors
voidmain:
quote:Originally posted by Calum:
I also have pride in my country, although unlike US citizens i am also ashamed of my country (I might add that if any US citizens also feel ashamed of their country then it will be for different reasons) for being so piss weak as to still be a part of the 'british empire' when most other empire nations have got their independence by now.
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But see here ya go making generalizations. There *are* Americans who are ashamed of America. You see many of them on this forum. Macman has made some statements that make me believe he is ashamed in some ways of America. I happen to be one of the decreasing numbers of Americans who are not ashamed of their country. I don't believe I have much to be ashamed about and I really don't understand why everyone dumps on us. Maybe I'm thick headed. People complain at everything we do and then turn around and complain about things we don't do.
And I should clarify my point about young people not standing during the national anthem. I should say that it "saddens" me rather than it pisses me off. It saddens me that they do not understand or comprehend. But then when I was young I didn't yet grasp what it means. Some day they may. You can not "force" patriotism. It's something that has to come to you.
The things I see patriotic people doing: Helping their neighbor in times of crisis, natural disaster, family disaster, etc. Knowing their neighbor will help them in times of crisis. Taking an active role in the community. Loving their community and doing what they can to make it a better place. Selfless.
The things I see non-partiotic people doing: Sitting idly by when their neighbor is in need. Maybe they say "awww, too bad for him, luckily I don't have it that bad". Generally pissed off about everything. "It's all about me."
One of the great things about the US is that it is not forced on you. You are not forced to stand. Luckily 98% of Americans do understand and comprehend. Hopefully that doesn't diminish. When it does, *that* is when the world needs to start getting worried about America.
[ December 05, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
Calum:
your post about racism was top class! well said! in fact:
However i am afraid that you misconstrued me a bit again about the americans. I wasn't saying they're not some of them ashamed of the US, since it takes all sorts to make a world and so on, but i am saying that any US citizen who is ashamed of their country for still being part of the british empire is severely behind the times. In scotland however many people have yet to wake up to the fact that they have been under the english heel for a few hundred years too long.
and no offence intended to the english, by the way, however i think their occupation and dominance over scotland is unjustified and immoral, and should be stopped. That is not racist, as i have nothing against an english person, or english people unless they particularly have done something to piss me off.
Calum:
quote:You can not "force" patriotism. It's something that has to come to you.
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again, i agree completely.
quote:One of the great things about the US is that it is not forced on you. You are not forced to stand.
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this is very important. i agree entirely.
quote:Luckily 98% of Americans do understand and comprehend.
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HOWEVER i must say that even if you do understand you might still choose not to stand. And there would be nothing wrong with that. Just because somebody doesn't stand for their national anthem doesn't mean that they don't understand those that do. Don't get me wrong, i agree with you, however i think it's important to distinguish between not understanding and understanding but choosing not to participate.
[ December 05, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
flap:
I don't stand during a national anthem because I *do* understand how utterly screwed up and dangerous (to use your own apt words) "national pride" is.
As Bertrand Russell put it: "Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons."
[ December 05, 2002: Message edited by: flap ]
lazygamer:
Tis funny how shit works in other countries. I always thought England was one big happy family.
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