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Laukev7:
quote: Einstein was brain washed? HOLY FUCKING SHIT!
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Just because he was Einstein doesn't mean he was right. He did not necessarily give as much thought to religion as he did to his scientific principles. Besides, some very intelligent people have been brainwashed by sects. Actually, scientists and intellgent people are EASIER to brainwash and more targeted by sects than fools.
As for me, well, I AM a college student, and only 18 years old, but have given a lot of thought to my beliefs. And you know, some young people made great discoveries, you know. Einstein, for example, and he did not even have a phD.
quote: And should you ever try and forcefully ban all religions some day I hope the world ignores you.
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Oh, believe me, I don't think I will even need to do that.
Laukev7:
quote:Originally posted by Faust:
Some people would say the same about blind belief in Science. Really Dead _and_ Alive cats? Nice one... and I'm not just talking about non atheists here - too much scientific thought these days does not rest upon proof or evidence. Infinite levels of dimensions? Superstrings as a replacement for quarks/besons? Thats all nice, but face the fact that nothing can ever explain the world - you must always base your beliefs upon fundamental axioms which can never be proven. If you believe otherwise go read some Kant / Descartes. Anyone know what phlogiston is? EVERYONE believed in that stuff, but hey years later it turns out phlogiston is bullshit. Things burn by oxidation, releasing energy from shifting electron states and transferring that energy into vibrating carbon atoms within a CO2 molecule, there really is no phlogiston in flammable materials that makes them burn. But EVERYONE believed in non existent phlogistion because Scientists said it was there. By the way the above is how stuff really burns. (Well thats the thory of the day anyway ;) ) Quite a bit more complicated than the standard "simplification" (face it, lies) that most people were taught about how things burn in school.
Interesting note: The speed of light was constant according to science. Less than a year ago Sydney University showed information showing that it... er probably isnt constant folks. :)
Blind belief in science is just the same as blind belief in religion - a crutch to help people get through their lives.
Edit: cmon peeps, some of you atheists must be pissed about this... i wanna see some blind "i dont know what Im talking about and I use science to make the world seem nice simple and understandable to me" flaming. ;)
[ July 28, 2003: Message edited by: Faust ]
[ July 28, 2003: Message edited by: Faust ]
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You are missing quite a few important ideas of science here. First, all those beliefs were NOT theories; they were hypotheses. A hypothesis is only called a theory once it is agreed upon and proven beyond reasonable doubt. It is also normal, and even expected that some theories may be proven wrong someday.
People do believe in anything scientists tell them, but NOT because they present hypotheses as facts. People believe them because they do not verify their sources or do any homework. The layman does not pay attention to importants keywords such as 'it is believed that' or 'many scientists speculate' or 'they claim that' when they read or watch documentaries.
quote: How many of you _believe_ in evolution?
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I do. And this is a proven theory, not speculation. The debate between evolution and creationism was the subject of a whole English session.
[ July 28, 2003: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]
quote: What makes you think that a God would want you to believe in it? Do you have any evidence that a God would try and make you believe in it? Or is this claim just baseless blind belief?
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Depends in what religion you believe in. If you believe you actually have to obey rules given by God, and that God is perfect, then one would assume that if he really was perfect, then everyone would already know the rules, or better yet, would not even be able to disobey them. We wouldn't have to 'spread the word', thus eliminating a big source of confusion and disagreement, and perhaps even violence and war. We wouldn't even be discussing this topic in the first place.
[ July 28, 2003: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]
Laukev7:
Umm, what is scientology, exactly? I always wondered about that religion.
By the way, 500th post! YAY!
[ July 28, 2003: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]
lonodnboi2k3:
quote: Believe in What ever you want to, but religion is a crock anyway, if you believe in god, or gods, or satan for that matter, you've been brain washed. Or your so emotionally pathetic that you need that crutch in your life.
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:D I could not agree more.
[ July 28, 2003: Message edited by: Londonboi2k3 ]
jasonlane:
quote:Originally posted by Laukev7:
Umm, what is scientology, exactly? I always wondered about that religion.
By the way, 500th post! YAY!
[ July 28, 2003: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]
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It's good for a couple of hours weird research. They have really, really, really strange beliefs. The founder Hubbard has been under criminal investigation here in the UK:
Xenu
The scientologist are based around a "secular" organization called Sea Org, very, very weird.
Sea ORG
Apparently there the most expensive religion in the world.
doesn't get any stranger than this. :D
[ July 28, 2003: Message edited by: Zardoz ]
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