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flap:

quote:Originally posted by void main:
Not really, it makes them more dependent on the software they are copying and they aren't learning anything else. Should they get a job where they need to use software legally which do you think they would choose.  Likely it would be that which they are used to, the stuff they pirated previously.
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I completely agree; if illegally copying software was somehow made impossible MS wouldn't have anywhere near the stranglehold they have. However, Calum's use of the word "stealing" suggests that the issue people are having here is with the moral implications of what they see as the "theft" of data, and not the problem you outlined.

KernelPanic:
Linux is Free.

<End of fucking story>

xyle_one:
i use pirated software. i would like to buy the software though. but i need the software to make the money. kind if a shitty situation. is it okay to use warez until i can save the money to buy it legit? probably not. i cant exactly bill the client for $10,000 in software. i dont think that it is causing too much harm to the companies though. because if all i could get was so-and-so's graphic package, master it, that is what i will buy when i can. they have a new customer. i really have no excuse though, if i really wanted to get the software, i would, piece by piece. eventually, it would pay itself off.
piracy is wrong, im a criminal, its just too easy.
on another note, using warez is probably the singlemost reason i stuck with windows for so long.
ecsyle_one*

voidmain:

quote:Originally posted by flap:
I completely agree; if illegally copying software was somehow made impossible MS wouldn't have anywhere near the stranglehold they have. However, Calum's use of the word "stealing" suggests that the issue people are having here is with the moral implications of what they see as the "theft" of data, and not the problem you outlined.
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Well I doubt you've ever heard that argument out of me. If I really thought that pirating M$ software hurt them in any way I would say copy away.  But I have always maintained from the beginning that it in fact helps M$ to have their software pirated.  In fact I believe they secretely *wanted* that to happen.

Now that the market is pretty much saturated they bring out the big BSA to stop the pirating and to collect from those who have been pirating for so long. Kinda like crack dealers. Once they get you hooked they suck you dry.

Calum:
as i said before, if Microsoft had enforced their copyrights, half the windows using world would be using free software right now. they know how to get people under the thumb and you piraters are helping them along. even if you don't copy any Microsoft software, how many of you copy windows-only binaries?

I said stealing to imply that it is theft if the person who holds the copyright does not want you copying it. you missed my point completely about people who don't mind their work being made freely available, fair's fair. That's what the whole free software movement (such as it is) is all about.

As everything else, stealing is subject to personal opinion. However. I think stealing is wrong because you infringe another person's right not to have their stuff stolen. Radiohead don't mind me owning illegal copies of their concerts, neither do green day, the pumpkins or the grateful dead, but theoretically i am the enemy of Pacific records, EMI records, and so on, just for owning bootleg concerts copied off the radio.

The reality and the morality are open to interpretation, all i'm saying is look at the knock on effects of pirating and see what's really going on.

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