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Calum:
quote:Originally posted by flap:
Even if I am harming these people by not paying them, I really don't care. Microsoft, Adobe, Metallica and so on are all part of the problem and until they become part of the solution I won't comply with their wish that I should refuse to co-operate with other people.
Sure, they have every right to say "Fuck society, I have to make a living to make and this is a safe way to do that." And I have the right (well, maybe not the _legal_ right) to say "Fuck Metallica/Adobe, I'll do what I like with their music/software as they clearly don't give a shit about me."
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i agree with the principle but the reality does not carry through. life is not that easy.
Listening to metallica makes more people hear it. they will all be dumb enough to go and buy "Metallica - Dumb" or whatever it was called, and you have helped rather than hindered the band you wanted to screw over, by pirating their stuff. This is why you should rather pirate music by bands who say it is okay to do so, because when their record sales go up, you get the warm fuzzies from knowing you helped it along by bootlegging their music!
Now obviously it's down to musical taste and so on. if you like metallica and hate radiohead then there's no point me saying to listen to radiohead instead just because they have a good bootlegging policy, that would be pointless.
all i am saying is that this "i'm screwing the system" shit is UNTRUE. If you really were screwing the system, do you think you would still be allowed to do it?
Society is not a big game of chess, you know, it's an even bigger game of solitaire.
flap:
I think we're debating different points here. I believed that you were suggesting with
quote:I said stealing to imply that it is theft if the person who holds the copyright does not want you copying it.
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that it's wrong to "pirate" the stuff of people who don't want you copying it because that means you're "stealing" from them i.e. that this somehow hurts them. That and the point (with which I completely agree) about inadvertently helping proprietary software vendors/bands like Metallica by copying their stuff are different issues.
RudeCat7:
I didn't see microsoft complaining when cd-burners were first coming out.
All they had to do was prevent them from writing the CDDA format.
microsoft plan:
1)make money off cd burning software
2)make money off new hardware based security to end rampant pirating of software.
evil plan, evil empire
Plus, without pirating, none of these expensive programs would be household names! How many kids would be talking about Photoshop if they had to pop $600 to use it? These companies are not losing money to these kids, they would never, probably in their lifetimes be able to justify spending so much money on a piece of software!
I am not defending it, but I stand against the claim that companies are losing MILLION$ to these kids.
Most of the crap that is downloaded is just that, crap. They are part of the brainwashed mentality that says you need to upgrade, be current, stay compatible!
The world could still run on windows for workgroups 3.11. It did at one time!
[ September 22, 2002: Message edited by: RudeCat7 ]
Pantso:
quote:Originally posted by void main:
Not really, it makes them more dependent on the software they are copying and they aren't learning anything else. Should they get a job where they need to use software legally which do you think they would choose. Likely it would be that which they are used to, the stuff they pirated previously.
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That's 100% correct! By pirating M$ software you're really playing their game. M$ would prefer if people were pirating their software rather than turning to open source. Do you really think that they don't know how many pirated copies of Windows are out there? How do you explain the fact that a copy of Windows XP Corporate Edition not requirin activation hit the warez sites and newsgroups days before the official release? Someone from M$ made sure it got out, following orders from his majesty Bill Gates. How can anyone also explain the fact that there are cracked versions of XP SP1 out there working with pirated copies of XP? Need I remind you that M$ claimed to have identified the pirated CD keys thus blocking access to the SP1?
All this is too suspicious to just believe it's just coincidental....
Crunchy(Cracked)Butter:
I still don't understand the thousands of people who HAVE pirated XP itself, i certainly wouldn't, not when i've been complaining about the rest of their products, whats the point in getting another one, yes its pirated but you still have to waste time installing the bastard peice of shit!
Yeah i can see why you'd want to just to rub the dirt is MS's face but i would rather waste my blank discs on something else or do something more destructive (see below). Some stupid people bitch and moan about it then still use it instead of using something else(not talking about anybody here mind you, since i don't know any of you)!
A good way of of pissing MS off is burning 100's copies (if you could be bothered) of XP. Put them in a box, sign and address it to the Beast of Redmound using a postal service (I use Royal Mail in the UK (goes with the intended joke so some might get it). Then put a note inside saying something like: "Saw this and thought of you. But i still use linux because its free"!
Something i said i will never ever do (use XP), hence my switch to nix.
[ September 23, 2002: Message edited by: Crunchy(Cracked)Butter ]
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