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flap:
I'm not really sure how you can be both a socialist and a nationalist.

Pantso:
Scottish people are patriots not nationalists. Even if they are nationalists they have every right to be, since the English invaded and are still occupying their homeland! Much like what will go on with Irag in the following months. Only in that case they will call it "liberation".   ;)

flap:
I don't see the distinction between nationalism and patriotism. They're both as much the "opium of the masses" as religion, and equally as good a tool of leaders for coercing the populace into doing their bidding. Socialists should be above that kind of tribalism.

Pantso:
Of course there are differences between the word "nationalist" and "patriot". At least in my native language, which btw gave birth to the word patriot, the difference is huge! A socialist CAN be a patriot but he cannot be a nationalist at the same time.

flap:
My point is that I object to any sense of arbitrary collective identity such as nationality, so whether it's expressed through 'nationalism' or 'patriotism' I don't see one as being any less foolish than the other.

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