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Political views (not another war thread)
Pantso:
You seem to have something against words of similar meaning. :D No objection there. ;)
Calum:
woah woah woah! it's a popular misconstruction that the 'Scottish Nationalist Party' are nationalists. The scottish nationalist party exist for one reason alone, and that's to get Scotland accepted as a nation state within the EU. They also do go on about a lot of other stuff, and i agree with most of it, but when it comes down to fundamentals, they start to really disagree with each other. i honestly think that when we finally get recognised as a nation state in europe, that there will be no real point in the scottish nationalist party (although they are doing a good job of being the opposition party in our devolved scottish parliament right now (scotland has its own parliament but all decisions must be okayed by england before they become law, you can see why i think scotland needs to be an independent state).
Anyway, the scottish nationalists are really badly named, since most of them, and certainly all the ones i agree with are not nationalists at all, in the true definition of the word. I am DEFINITELY not a nationalist, but i do agree with the scottish nationalist party's opinions usually, although you can't trust them all the time...
when it comes down to it, when the scottish nationalists and the scottish socialists disagree, i find myself agreeing with the socialists more to be honest.
ps: re: patriotism, i think i did go into this before but yes i am patriotic, but i think that blind patriotism is not good. I know that the scottish nationalists are not to be trusted, and i do not accept what they say without my own thoughts and criticisms coming into play. luckily, they make you think by being untrostworthy every now and again (sadly this stops them getting votes, mine included, i voted scottish socialist last time i was present for an election in scotland). patriotism and scottish nationalism are the same thing, but i think that nationalism in its more proper sense is more like elitism or perhaps racism (at a stretch) than patriotism.
[ March 24, 2003: Message edited by: Calum: literally X11 ]
zoolooo:
quote:Originally posted by Siplus: *Capitalist*:
homosexualism, whether it be male or female, is morally wrong in my mind
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So, when someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific Bible laws and how to follow them.
a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? She's 18 and starting University. Will the slave buyer continue to pay for her education by law?
c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.
d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? ....Why can't I own Canadians?
e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should this be a neighborhood improvement project?
f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? Would contact lenses help?
h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?
i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I assume you have studied these things extensively, so I hope you can help.
Thank you for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
zooloo
[ March 25, 2003: Message edited by: zoolooo ]
flap:
quote:Originally posted by Calum: literally X11:
The scottish nationalist party exist for one reason alone, and that's to get Scotland accepted as a nation state within the EU.
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I'm not clear why you want Scotland accepted as a nation state?
Calum:
because its people are totally different from the people of england. at the moment however scotland's presence in europe is pathetic. scotland has the same status as yorkshire, an outlying english county, and even within the 'united' kingdom, i suspect that yorkshire gets more consideration from the english government than scotland does.
england tries out new taxes on scotland, does all the dirty nuclear stuff (that the americans pay them to do) in scotland (the further away from london it is, the safer it must be), because they know the people of scotland don't want the english to be part of the same country, so the english just treat scotland like shit. plus the english sell scotland's oil off and spend the profits... on england! disgusting and pathetic.
not only that but the english are always saying no to things in europe when actually scotland would probably say yes (and vice versa). scotland has a voice of its own which nobody is currently listening to. scotland's voice deserves to be heard. the very fact that people cannot see the reason scotland should be independent shows that scotland needs to be able to make its voice be heard.
luxembourg has the status of a nation, belgium has it, so do the netherlands (touchy issue, possibly), so why not scotland?
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