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Calum:
no no no, i am sorry if i seem like a ranting racist, people are people and everybody's different. whether a person is english or scottish or maori or canadian or swedish et c makes no difference to their personality, i just think that the combination of living in a particular place with a particular culture makes the people in one area a little different from the people in another area.

i am not english, and unfortunately that grates a bit against people who are english, and probably vice versa, but there's nothing really wrong or right in it all, unless you want to get down to specifics about it. you could equally well point out that 'Flower o' Scotland' (Scotland's e facto national anthem) was just as racist against the english (it is, check it out) and not only that, it moans on about how downtrodden the scots are and how it's so unfair, to me that's worse than the english national anthem, which is a bit more positive (if racist and violent) and wasn't even written by the english! in many ways i am almost as ashamed to be scottish as i am to be british! of course, i endorse the real scottish national anthem, Scotland the brave, because i think it rises above the bickering that i dislike so much, sadly many scots prefer flower o' scotland.

anyway, what i am saying is, i'm not trying to paint the english into a corner. being english or scottish doesn't in itself say anything about you except where you come from, it's what you do with it (and whose country your government is oppressing) that counts.

flap:
Here's a much better anthem.

zoolooo:
Calum I am agreeing with you.

What I intended to say was that when framing my reply to you I became very aware of the "Englishness" inherent.

That makes it impossible to reply because "I would say that wouldn't I".  This isn't knocking you, it's admitting the reality behind your opinions.

zooloo

BTW - It would be fun to learn the second verse of the National Anthem and start singing it when the first stops... maybe all 6 for the right occasion,  :D

Calum:
you'll get the chance at the next remembrance day. remembrance day services (and possibly some other special church services) customarily include the english national anthem. this is true even in the church of scotland (ironically in my opinion). Last time i was in church (many many years ago!) and this hymn (yes, god save the king is in the church of scotland hymnary!) i could not do it. They sang three verses, but strangely only five were actually printed in the book... i wonder why.

flap i agree, that's a good anthem, maybe for the united states.

Faust:
red-black anarcho-elitist (odd combination I know)
(btw the red black refers to socialist (red) anarchism (black))
basically most people are too stupid to vote and I believe someone must have appreciable benefit (demonstratable knowledge about the Australian political process / years in public service / emergency services and/or income BELOW a certain level) to society to choose how it is run.  Also politicians should have their money and assets stripped before entering office which are then replaced with a *reasonable* bank account level to rebuy a flat or something.  Then their wage is set to the minimum legal wage.  (According to Johnny it's enough for McDonalds workers so it should be enough for him too.)  Politicians bank accounts and assets are publicly monitored and any "discrepancies" must be explained.  Voting is compulsory for those who qualify and confidential.  Voting is also real time.  Party advertising is confined to a set level of money related to popularity.  All wages have an hourly cap and an hourly minimum.

Oh and Im a heterodox christian - I believe in Jesus, I believe in God (not possibly a big dude with beard or BDWB model,) I dont take the bible as gospel (thats what you get when people manipulate a religious text into their own political agendas but hey...)

Mainly anything that leaves me outside of societies influence is good.  Oh yeah liberalism as opposed to democracy in stalemates.

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