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the pro bush thread
Laukev7:
quote: he is one man, and has SOO MUCH LESS power than congress.
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Bush is an utter imbecile, but he's nothing but a puppet. The people who are really dangerous are the neoconservatives beneath him who control everything, such as Arsecroft, Cheney, Feith, Wolfowitz, Perle, Dumbsfeld, Rice and all the other PNAC cronies.
quote: war was the last resort.
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Last resort for what? Finding weapons they knew didn't exist?
http://100777.com/node/view/589
[ May 13, 2004: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]
Xeen:
laukev, maybe you can help me with something about the Patriot Act.
Whenever people criticize the Patriot Act, the neocons respond by claiming that Clinton and the democrats tried to make a law very similar to the patriot act 10 years ago. Is this true?
Steinmetz:
All the Democrats in Congress voted for the Patriot Act and the Iraq war. I think what we should do is cut and run. We'll give Saddam Hussein to the Iraqis who will probably aquit him and make him dictator of Iraq again. After that there will be genocide on the level of Hitler and Stalin like there was before in Iraq. There will be civil war in Iraq, mainly between the Shiites and Sunnis. Since most of Saddam's weapons had been destroyed, the Shiites would think it was now their chance to create a second Iran. The Iraqi Shiites will be supported by Iran and the Iraqi Sunnis will be supported by Sunnis in other countries like Syria, Saudi Arabia, the Taliban, Al Qaeda, etc. It will be one of the greatest blood baths the world has ever seen and we will have saved billions of dollars in the process.
[ May 13, 2004: Message edited by: Steinmetz ]
Siplus:
quote:Originally posted by Steinmetz:
All the Democrats in Congress voted for the Patriot Act and the Iraq war. I think what we should do is cut and run. We'll give Saddam Hussein to the Iraqis who will probably aquit him and make him dictator of Iraq again. After that there will be genocide on the level of Hitler and Stalin like there was before in Iraq. There will be civil war in Iraq, mainly between the Shiites and Sunnis. Since most of Saddam's weapons had been destroyed, the Shiites would think it was now their chance to create a second Iran. The Iraqi Shiites will be supported by Iran and the Iraqi Sunnis will be supported by Sunnis in other countries like Syria, Saudi Arabia, the Taliban, Al Qaeda, etc. It will be one of the greatest blood baths the world has ever seen and we will have saved billions of dollars in the process.
[ May 13, 2004: Message edited by: Steinmetz ]
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are you joking?
so, assuming you are not, you are saying that thousands/millions of lives are worth saving us a few measily billion dollars?
Laukev7:
quote:Originally posted by xeen:
laukev, maybe you can help me with something about the Patriot Act.
Whenever people criticize the Patriot Act, the neocons respond by claiming that Clinton and the democrats tried to make a law very similar to the patriot act 10 years ago. Is this true?
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I have never heard of such an initiative before, and I don't know too much about Clinton. However, with my newfound free time, I have researched about the legislations passed by Clinton. Uunfortunately it appears that their claims are correct, and the bill looks every bit as bad as the PATRIOT Act.
http://nsi.org/Library/Terrorism/rites.htm
Upon further research it would seem that Clinton was also responsible for legislations like the DMCA and the TDA, which allowed further mergers of mainstream media corporations:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecom_Reform_Act
I'm saddened to find out that he also cracked down on same-sex marriage (though not to the extent of the Bush Administration):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act
However, that does not mean that the PATRIOT Act and the scores of anticonstitutional legislations from the Bush administration should not be condemned. Clinton is not spotless by any extent, but Bush has done much more to destroy individual freedoms in the United States than any other president.
[ May 13, 2004: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]
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