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the pro bush thread
Siplus:
quote:However, that does not mean that the PATRIOT Act and the scores of anticonstitutional legislations from the Bush administration should not be condemned. Clinton is not spotless by any extent, but Bush has done much more to destroy individual freedoms in the United States than any other president.
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of course you know i'm going to rebute that statement, and i'm sure you have heard it already.
so, i'm going to take another spin on this one, just because it reminded me of what one of our first presidents did.
history lesson (triva, more like it...) for non-american citizens/american citizens who don't know much about the american goverment:
i think it was john adams (#2 president), but this was the best i could find in the 3 minutes i looked:
http://www.studyworld.com/John_Adams_Critical_Review.htm
what happened during his presidency: freedom of speech was removed, as well as other things in that short article. there was a lot of other stuff too, but it has been about 5 years since i had a S.S. class that discussed the early presidents, so i forget :-/
anyway, that is just one instance of presidents trying to remove the public's rights. clinton &friends were trying to remove many rights during their (i say their because clinton's opinion was what the results of whatever poll he saw were) presidency. other than the patriot act, i do not see anything that i disagree with as far as the freedom-removing acts are concerned (i agree with the anti-gay marrage movement, however i'm not sure why bush is mentioning it, as ammending our constitution has NOTHING to do with the president of the united states. that is all states/congress)
Laukev7:
quote: i agree with the anti-gay marrage movement
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You're an arse.
solarismka:
Who gives a fuck on what presedent did what!
The fact is that the bush regime passed the patriot act. I don't give a shit if congress or bush himself pushed it through, it should have never gone through!
You shouldn't of gone to war period WITH ANY COUNTRY OR NATION!
And racialy profiling millions of ordinary people is just wrong!
In other words, Whether it be o'l germany, america or a peace nation counrty like canada. Nazism is wrong!!!!
If canada did the same stupid shit then canada it would be just as wrong. Geremany did do stupid shit and IT WAS wrong but if america does it its fine?
No it isn't ITS STILL WRONG!!!
Regardless! America is putting innocent people in camps and jail. Killing millions and doing it all for greed! And that is just not on!
I'm not interested in what your goverment does or doesn't do! I'm interested about the many lives the unessessaraly effects!
[ May 13, 2004: Message edited by: -=Solaris.M.K.A=- ]
Paladin9:
quote:Originally posted by Laukev7:
Bush is an utter imbecile, but he's nothing but a puppet. The people who are really dangerous are the neoconservatives beneath him who control everything, such as Arsecroft, Cheney, Feith, Wolfowitz, Perle, Dumbsfeld, Rice and all the other PNAC cronies.
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Laukev, I wanted to correct you when you mentioned Cheney. Its "president Cheney"
Steinmetz:
Siplus wrote:
quote:
so, assuming you are not, you are saying that thousands/millions of lives are worth saving us a few measily billion dollars?
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No. Therefore it was right to invade Iraq and free it from Saddam Hussein's regime. Also, to keep the gangsters from taking over the country we have to stay there. Civil war is probably inevitable in Iraq leading to either another Saddam Hussein style regime if the Sunnis win and another Iran if the Shiites win. If western countries stay there and force Iraq to be a Democratic country then there will be one less terrorist country in the world.
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