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being "professional" (long rant about corps vs employees as individuals)
Chooco:
communism just sucks ass, it has never worked.
-USA is wealthy and capitalist
-Britain is wealthy and capitalist
-Germany is wealthy and capitalist
-Canada is wealthy and capitalist
-Australia is wealthy and capitalist
now lets look on the other side of the spectrum
-Russia is poor from being Communist
-China is poor and communist
-basically all of East Europe is or was communist and are poorer than crap
Doctor V:
quote:Originally posted by Chooco:
communism just sucks ass, it has never worked.
-USA is wealthy and capitalist
-Britain is wealthy and capitalist
-Germany is wealthy and capitalist
-Canada is wealthy and capitalist
-Australia is wealthy and capitalist
now lets look on the other side of the spectrum
-Russia is poor from being Communist
-China is poor and communist
-basically all of East Europe is or was communist and are poorer than crap
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The "Communism" run by the Soviets, Chinese, and Eastern Europe was very very different from the communism in books written by Karl Marx. It was based on the Soviet totalitarianism set up by Joseph Stalin. Stalin was an evil power hungry dictator, and even Lenin didn't like his ways. I certainly do not support that type of government. On the other hand. Lets look at countries that, while not Communist, have had Socalist ideas incorporated into them. Some good examples would be Germany, Sweden, and the Netherlands. (I have never lived in any of those countries, and apologize to anyone if what I am saying is not totally accurate). They are considered among the best places to live in the world. Lets also remember China was poor before they even started communism, and now after moving away from communism and towards socalism, they are posied to become a rich nation.
USA has never been 100% capitalist. It is however today moving rapidly in that direction. A good example of a purely capitalist country would be Brazil. In Brazil, there is a small ultra-rich minority and masses who are in utter poverty. Two classes of people. This is the way is is basically for all of South America, Africa, Southern Asia, and the Middle East.
So, I think few people actually want to be Communist, but want to be moderately Socalist or Capitalist with Socalist ideas incorporated into society.
V 0.8.7
psyjax:
In Plato's Republic, one can see the diffrence between what we call a socialist (or even communist) nation and a capitalist (or democratic) nation, is the abundance of luxurie.
Where one country may have many trinkits and nice superflous sparklies, the others have the bare essentials held as that which is truely valuable.
I don't think it's a simple question about right or wrong, good or sux ass. It's a question of ideological morality. Which one produces the most virtuous people and which produces those who are consided, petty, materialistic, and egotistical
Beside's were talking about Socialism not Communism.
Calum:
the problem with US people (and of course there are many exceptions, so don't take offence if you are a US citizen who isn't like this(!)) is that many of them tend to lump a lot of things together under the bracket of 'communism'.
socialism is not communism, but many people have a hard time understanding the many differences (and i'm no longer talking about just americans).
socialism is inherently more complicated than capitalism, and while it has more benefits, it is much more intricate and delicate. a tribal/clan based society such as natively occurred in scotland, many parts of africa, australia and northern america has no chance when it is hit head on by a single minded monarchy such as the spanish/british/dutch/whoever empire/invaders.
Basically the simplicity of capitalism makes it more workable, but less rewarding on the whole. The human is not a completely social or selfish animal and so many attempts at either scenario will have varying degrees of success or failure and will inevitably lead the humans sconcerned to think that the grass is greener on the other side.
Kintaro:
quote:Originally posted by creedon:
I think that Australians have a skewed perspective on Americans. It might be your convict heritage (how's it feel?). I was born and brought up in the immediate area of the first pure Communist society in history (it pre-dated Marx and Engels). The Oneida Community was a religious society that held all property in common; they also had no real marriages, nor were children raised by their biological parents. They even dabbled in Human breeding experiments, with some pretty bad results (they didn't know about recessive/dominant genes). The actual community no longer exists, but perhaps you may have heard of Oneida Community Limited, the biggest manufacturer of tableware in the world.
There were a large number of Socialist/Communist experiments in the United States. It's too bad that none of them were succesful, it might have changed the way Americans are perceved by the rest of the world.
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Creedon your one of the 2% that are good!
What im saying is that the US Citizens dont know anything about Socialism/Communism because there heads are up there asses. I should have posted more descriptively!
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