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Doctor V:

quote:Originally posted by Calum-21.2:
the problem with US people (and of course there are many exceptions, so don't take offence if you are a US citizen who isn't like this(!)) is that many of them tend to lump a lot of things together under the bracket of 'communism'.

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This is true.  To say anything leftist at all runs the risk of being called a commie.  Its sad how few people in America really understand what Communism is.  

In America, people have been taught since they were children that Communism is the Great Evil.  So people start hating Communism and socalism without really knowing what it is.  And when told about what it is, they are usually given a very biased explination.

Its very important that people understand that modern Socalism is not the same as what was preached by Stalin and others.  Totalitarianism is certainly NOT Socalism.  In fact Socalism is by nature democratic.

It seems America is moving closer and closer to Capitalistic totalitarianism.  Instead of people having no rights and everything being dictated by the government, business is what is stripping people's rights away one by one, and dictating every aspect of people's lives.

V 0.8.7

flap:

quote:Originally posted by Chooco:
communism just sucks ass, it has never worked.
-USA is wealthy and capitalist
-Britain is wealthy and capitalist
-Germany is wealthy and capitalist
-Canada is wealthy and capitalist
-Australia is wealthy and capitalist

now lets look on the other side of the spectrum
-Russia is poor from being Communist
-China is poor and communist
-basically all of East Europe is or was communist and are poorer than crap
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The reason those countries adopted communism was because they were poor in the first place, not the other way around.

That's about as intelligent as saying "non-caucasians suck ass".

USA is white and wealthy
UK is white and wealthy
Germany is white and wealthy

Nigeria is non-white and poor
Afghanistan is non-white and poor
China is non-white and poor

Calum:
whites are human and stupid,
blacks are human and stupid,
asians are human and stupid,
aboriginal australian and aboriginal north and south americans are human and stupid,
oriental people are human and stupid,

by contrast,

dolphins are nonhuman and have never stuffed up the planet,
elephants are nonhuman and have never invented any weapons,
penguins are nonhuman and have never had a war
aardvarks are nonhuman and have never imposed sanctions
horses are nonhuman and do not make a habit of allowing other horses to go hungry in order to line their own pockets

you see what i'm getting at?

creedon:
There's a basic fallacy in both systems; the capitalist system basically says that if you work hard, you will accumulate personal wealth and live well.  The Socialist system says that all workers should work hard, the state will become wealthy and share the benefits of that wealth equally with all the workers.
What neither system addresses is the tendancy of the leaders of a system to try to hold on to power (leadership).  That's the fly in the ointment; Humans are Anthropoids, with the social hierarchy of that species; "I've got power, and I'm going to hold onto it any way I can."  As far as I know, there has never been a completely selfless Human in a leadership position in history, and once the leader has established his authority, he establishes a system of support that ensures that he will remain in power by giving authority to other individuals who support him.  Once a system like this is in place, the majority of the population is only allowed to rise to a controlable point; in other words, Capitalism and Socialism both limit the rise of the average individual, keeping him in a position  where he can't threaten leaders without risking his limited social status, or his life.
My conclusion is this; Anarchy is the only system that allows an individual to actually better his social position, but Anarchy is a Uti=opian dream that requires cooperation between individuals that our Anthropoid ancestry won't allow; in other words, we're fucked- live with it.

hm_murdock:
No... Marxist Communism doesn't say "people work hard and state gets rich"... that's Lenin and Stalin's work.

Real communism has never existed, and can't exist as long as people think they need money instead of simpler things, like food and shelter. If anybody lived in a true communistic society, they'd rather die than live in an ass-backward country like the States.

The US *is* moving to capitalistic totalitarianism... and fast. Such a thing is even worse than Leninism. Instead of there being a man, or men to blame... there's only organizations that are at the same time public and private. Anybody could own part of the company, but the company would still own you.

Think of Robocop... the police, military, public services, and city administration were handled by a corporation. Luckily for the people of that story, the leaders were for the most part well-meaning, able to balance their love of profit with providing a quality service, there were others that weren't.

It's frightening when our country is run by the Bill Gateses and Dick Joneses who create their shitty operating systems and crappy war robots in the name of profit, and then screw everybody up the ass so they can make more profit.

Okay... enough movie metaphors!

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