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KernelPanic:
--- Quote from: Orethrius ---What you're saying is that those who have that viewpoint have no expenses, and thus no right to speak.
To that, I give my considered response: Bite. Me.
First off, all my balances are fucking RED for a reason.
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Thankyou for misrepresenting me.
What I was saying was:
The comments of a 12 year old - with little experience of fiscal matters - about economics don't carry much weight with me. He can say what he likes but I will call bullshit when I see fit.
Eliminating proprietary software would eliminate jobs, family breadwinners would no longer have incomes. How would PP explain that to their kids?
He can comment, but as neither a wage earner or parent he doesn't have the perspective.
--- Quote from: Orethrius ---Second off, if more people would SHARE, proprietary software wouldn't have the majority stranglehold it enjoys today.
That is all.
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We'll that's stating the obvious since FOSS and proprietary are mutexes.
skyman8081:
I'm seeing a lot of this guy here, he's sad, he hates being used in arguments, he wan't to go away and never be used.
worker201:
--- Quote from: KernelPanic ---Eliminating proprietary software would eliminate jobs, family breadwinners would no longer have incomes. How would PP explain that to their kids?
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That's a situation proprietary software companies created and enforced. Everyone thought it was a good idea, since it created jobs. Now, if they go under, all the workers go under, and society as a whole has a responsibility to them - we have to buy software to keep the programmers from getting fired. But when HP or IBM or whoever decides to lay off 5000 workers, no big deal, that's just how it is in the busines world.
Besides, the same argument was once used against television, saying that it would destroy the film and radio industries. Imagine if we had listened? Hindsight proves that the advent of television created a lot of profit for a lot of people, and that film and radio have never been stronger.
And if you're really all that concerned about the welfare of proprietary software creators, why do you use Linux? Hell, why do you use bittorrent? ;)
piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: KernelPanic ---I would respect this opinion far more if you actually had bills to pay.
Get over yourself, proprietary software is here for the long-haul.
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Did you even read my post you fucking arsehole?
--- Quote from: KernelPanic ---Eliminating proprietary software would eliminate jobs, family breadwinners would no longer have incomes. How would PP explain that to their kids?
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Again, did you even read my post you fucking arsehole?
--- Quote from: my_post ---I dunno if things, price-wise, would be much different from today in a mature free software economy.
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And before that:
--- Quote from: me ---I like the way things are hopefully headed - non-free software eating up market share bit by bit (people chosing it because the software is just plain better (and it will be better (I did say that this is the way things are hopefully headed.).), and hopefully because they like the philosophical end of it too.). And then, when the non-free software companies decide they can't compete, they make their software free.
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piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---I dunno if things, price-wise, would be much different from today in a mature free software economy.
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And to back that up (or down): http://www.fsfeurope.org/documents/eur5greve.en.html
And the good thing is,
THEY PAY BILLS!
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Structure of a Free Software economy
The differences are much smaller than many people would make you believe. The financially most important sector today is software for business activities and most of the revenue is generated through service. This is unlikely to change.
It is true that license revenue will most likely go down, probably significantly. However this only affects a very small part of the software generated revenue; a part which generates a negative trade balance between Europe and the United States today.
The by orders of magnitude largest source of revenue today is service. This sector will be able to grow significantly in a Free Software economy.
In the current system, dominated by proprietary software, only those companies supported by the monopolies can offer services; usually only a small part of what would be possible. The remainder is either done by the monopolies themselves
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