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shuiend:
i think it is a big bunch of bullshit. the US needs to mind its own business. we are all scared of them getting 1 nuke while we have how many thousand or millions? If the US would just stay out of other countries affairs then i dont think we would have this problem. the 9/11 attacks were caused because people were mad that the us meddled in business that was not theirs. When ever the US gets in the way bad things happen to it. i think that we sould go back into isolation and be like fuke off to other countries and let them go about there own business.

voidmain:
Ok, what affairs have the US meddled in that piss you and the other terrorists off so much?

So you drive a few airplanes into the World Trade center. Yeah, I see your point. All those people who died that day deserved it as they most surely were meddling in other peoples business. I got news for you, 99.999% of those people never heard of bin laden, the terrorists groups he was associated with, or what his motivations were/are.

Now sure, the US has plenty of nukes. When did they last use them and under what circumstances? Have they not acted responsibly with their possesion of these nukes?

What would Saddam do with nukes if he had them? Well, we know what he will do with chemical/biological weapons, even against his own people. And we know that he wishes to control the entire region (and probably beyond) as witnessed by the invasion of Kuwait.

Now I theorize that the first thing Saddam would do with nuclear weapons is to develop about a dozen backpack nukes, hand them over to bin laden and plant his deciples in 12 major US cities with their watches synchronized to all go off at the same time. Hell, might as well plant one in London and several other major western cities. Far fetched? I think not, it's only a hair away from what happened on 9-11, in fact much easier than what happened on 9-11 in many ways. And with Iraq, bin laden (or any other twisted fuck head) can have their nukes.

I personally don't want to wait to see what will happen. I say either Iraq gets rid of Saddam and cleans up their act or they can become the world's leading supplier of glass.

[ September 03, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]

Stryker:

quote: Hard to do. If the US ever over stepped their bounds, showing that they have gone power hungry, then the rest of the world would realize this and destroy them.  
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I can only think of about 3 countries who would be willing to destroy 200 million lives. And they have the power to maybe destroy 3 or so cities. You'd have to be insane to attempt it.

flap:

quote:Originally posted by VoidMain:
Ok, what affairs have the US meddled in that piss you and the other terrorists off so much?

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Good question. Here's my top 3:

1. Chile
2. Vietnam
3. Palestine

Helping to create and then supporting the Taliban throughout the 80s and 90s is also good though.

Calum:
VoidMain, you say a lot of stuff i agree with, however i think your extrapolations are very wide of the mark. what makes you think Saddam and Bin Laden are in contact or would hand nukes over to each other? the likelihood that they are both muslims? that is the sort of attitude that causes these little fracas' in the first place!

also, you called wild jester a terrorist. that is fucking out of order. sorry for swearing at you VoidMain, i have a lot of respect for you but it is exactly this attitude that makes the rest of the world, rightly or wrongly, suspect of the USA.

USA is very big on seeing terrorists and communists and many other ists that are ready to rise up and threaten society, or democracy or even just to infiltrate our childrens minds. i suppose you are too young (even though you are older than i  :D  ) to remember the draconian Comics Code Authority in the fifties, and for that matter the ridiculous McCarthy scapegoating trials, designed to make the US seem like it was doing something and in the process ruining the careers and lives of many of its best people.

The US is too concerned with its own chest puffing to actually give a shit about things really should be done. the US has forgotten what "justice" means. After the horrible planes disaster last year, i heard a lot of stories about US citizens. many people offensively emailed me multiple copies of emails designed to let me know that the US would not stand for this sort of treatment. forgive me, but if i want to know that i will find out for myself.

One of these emails told the story of an american guy on a plane later in September going on an international flight somewhere on the other side of the world from the US. Another US guy got up in the aisle before the plane took off and asked all the other US citizens to stand up. After a bit of coaxing, another nine did. For the whole of the journey, these 10 Americans would escort anybody who got up out of their seat to wherever they were going, the toilet, whatever. The email claimed that this made the atmosphere in the plane more relaxing.

This story made me very angry and epitomises the problem. Yes i agree that the US has rarely used its nukes in a stupid way, especially compared with some other nations. Yes i agree that Iraq could do some nasty things with nukes. This is no reason for America to assume the moral high ground. This "America as the world's guardian" does not work unless we assume that we can trust america implicitly. and we cannot. we do not agree with many of its opinions, however it has the most powerful army and the loudest politicians, so what can you do?

the only reason that america thinks it should be the policeman of the world is because it had its nukes first. This is unacceptable.

As i say, no offence to VoidMain, but that is the reality as i see it.

Go on, call me a terrorist, it will only weaken your argument in my opinion.

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