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Kintaro:
I wont live off anyones tax dollars, that would still make me a low end capitalist. I wont do anything for money that effects other people, or there capitalist ideals. I will live!

Calum:
looks like i agree with zooloo on this. i don't need to add anything here.

Siplus:
i think we should agree to disagree

i'm not good with political debates, nor did i want to get into one here. i am here b/c i hate microsoft. i guess i'm kind of contradicting myself. i love linux and hate proprietary products (namely windows), sort of a socialist view i guess, but at the same time i support capitialism. maybe i'm a hypicrit, i don't know.

i do not a persuasive enough person to try to convert your thoughts, and i'm too stubborn (hmm, set in my ways at the young age of 15--good, or bad?) to give up my full support of captialism. i love capitalism and i hope i always live in a capitalist state. i do not beleive that is is based upon the 'backstabing' of enemies. i do not believe it is an uncivilized form of goverment--it is quite the contrary in my mind. freedom is everything. you should be able to be a billionare if you want/can. i, however, would like to think that i would DO something meritable with a billion, but if someone doesn't want to, they have the FREEDOM to be a bastard if they want. it's all about choice

i am 15. would it be possible for a 15 yr old to own a laptop in a socialist society? probibly not, everyone would want a laptop, so only the people who need one would actually get it, which would leave me out. i have a job (that i hate, but it brings in $$ for my laptop and hopefully a car for when i get my drivers licence next year    ), and if the world was socialist, do you think that a "child" of my age would have a job? no, i think that open jobs would be given to adults, thus leaving me out. i guess that would be good, because the adult would need to pay for living, while my parents do that for me at my age, but i wouldn't be as happy.

i do not know of what else i can type here to try to get my point across. YES, some people will get screwed under capitalism--that is it's nature, to compete. the "losers" will moan and complain, and the "winners" will live a marginally happy life.

i'm going to leave now. i do not think i'm leaving with the best post, but at least give me credit that i tried!! we are just repeating ourselves here, so unless i see something new, i'm not going to so anymore in the conversation. i hope someone will continue this discussion on the part of capitialism, and if not, then this thread will die

zoolooo:
Siplus: *Capitalist*,

I wonder what you actually think capitalism is.

How do you define it?

One point you raised was could you have a laptop in a socialist society.  There is no reason why not.  That "everyone would want one" is not true.

This "I want" is a capitalist attitude.  "I need" is the socialist attitude.  So within the bounds of what society can afford/provide you would have everything you need - guaranteed.

"From each according to their means, to each according to their needs" is the basic principle.

Luxuries would exist but probably in a different form as it wouldn't be a consumer society as it is now.

Socialism gives the majority more freedom than capitalism can - nobody is stealing your surplus so you can spend less time in necessary production and so have more time to do what you want, for example.

zooloo

billy_gates:
I have read most of the posts here but I still cannot find a reason to work harder for the common good.  I would probably work the minimum.  I would be afraid to work under the minimum because I would probably be killed or something.  And as Siplus brought up, what if we want things that we don't need?  That is what all kids wantm stuff to have fun with.  How would we get that stuff?  Would we be destined to boredom our whole lives? Never being able to get a nice car to go have good times in, always being stuck with the "needed" pinto of a car?

Back to Bill Gates, I personally do not like him, I think he is an evil backstabbing bastard.  But I tell you, I aspire to become as rich and powerful as he is.  I also wonder how democrats ever got into power with Bill Gate's money going towards the republicans?  However, when I had that much money I wouldn't sell shit anymore.  I would sell good products at competitive prices, but to get there I would do anything.

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