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Re: Y0 wheres it hanging?
« Reply #15 on: 8 July 2005, 05:38 »
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Apache isn't under the GPL either.

Bah, my mistake, that'd be ASL.  Oh well, I can safely say I'm using something that liberally uses the GPL now!  ;)
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Re: Y0 wheres it hanging?
« Reply #16 on: 8 July 2005, 12:02 »
The reason I think the GPL is wrong in this case is adoption. In order for something like this to be succefull, it needs to be widely adopted. Xorg is now the defacto X standard and it has a license that is more free/developer friendly than Y-Windows.
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Re: Y0 wheres it hanging?
« Reply #17 on: 8 July 2005, 12:10 »
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So you have a problem with the GPL then?
Oh wait, we've gone over this before.

No I don't.

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In the future, anything and everything I write (as in programming stuff) in my own time, will almost definetly be GPLed (assuming it's my choice). Even libraries, so if some non-free feckor wants to link with my libraries, they may switch to a free-software licence or gtfo.

You've just outlined the exact reason why Y-Windows will fail.
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Re: Y0 wheres it hanging?
« Reply #18 on: 8 July 2005, 18:55 »
Looks like Ubuntu is going to have a bit of help.

http://www.ubuntulinux.org/UbuntuFoundation

$10 Million help.

Good news.
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Re: Y0 wheres it hanging?
« Reply #19 on: 8 July 2005, 19:53 »
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You've just outlined the exact reason why Y-Windows will fail.
In which case, let it fail!

You do know that it's partly LGPL?
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Re: Y0 wheres it hanging?
« Reply #20 on: 8 July 2005, 23:25 »
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In which case, let it fail!

You do know that it's partly LGPL?

Yeah. Hopefully, that will allow for commercial video driver support. If not, Y is already dead.
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Re: Y0 wheres it hanging?
« Reply #21 on: 8 July 2005, 23:28 »
Kintaro, I've had the same problem. I refrained from using Nautilus in KDE a long time ago, but I remember there was something like
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Re: Y0 wheres it hanging?
« Reply #22 on: 8 July 2005, 23:32 »
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Yeah. Hopefully, that will allow for commercial video driver support. If not, Y is already dead.
All NVIDIA gotta do, is release their drivers under the GPL.
Sorted.
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Re: Y0 wheres it hanging?
« Reply #23 on: 8 July 2005, 23:58 »
I don't think they have to do even that...
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Re: Y0 wheres it hanging?
« Reply #24 on: 9 July 2005, 00:14 »
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I don't think they have to do even that...
Well, there is another way, aparantly:
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If they make drivers that link with the Y server, they must release them
under the GPL or not at all (score one for those of us running GNU/Linux
on anything other than x86, and another for us GPL "nuts" :) ).  If they
free their drivers, I would gladly volunteer to write a graphical
installer if only because I would be in such a good mood.

If, on the other hand, they link with the client, (I'm sorry to say I
don't yet know enough about how Y works either to know which case would
apply) they will be able to release the drivers as .o files.

I'm glad the Y server is GPL, it'll make it at least a small bit tougher for the video card manufacturers release non-free video drivers.
I'm fecking sick of non-free video drivers. Neither ATi or Nvidia have free (as in freedom, as usual) drivers, and at that, I can't play any half modern 3d games.

Anyone know which other video card manufacturers release free drivers? I know 3dfx used to (they were at least open-source, not sure if they qualify as free software (by GNUs definition)).
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